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What are they demanding that you are not? Everyone wants to be healthy and they want a medical system which helps them get there. If partying is a problem, they

What are they demanding that you are not? Everyone wants to be healthy and they want a medical system which helps them get there. If partying is a problem, they should be able to talk to a doctor about it, and it should be paid for as a part of the services provided by society.

echelon 2y ago
> If partying is a problem, they should be able to talk to a doctor about it, and it should be paid for as a part of the services provided by society. I feel like I'm on an alien planet here. We should pay for people to get lifestyle advice? This is malinvestment. Put that money into research instead.
- foldr 2y ago
  Paying for people to get lifestyle advice is a great investment as it reduces both the cost of their healthcare and various externalities associated with living in a society where lots of people are unhealthy.
  - echelon 2y ago
    How much does that cost? Edit: Why should we pay for this instead of food insecurity, education, research, etc.? Will measured outcomes give us bang for the buck?
    - foldr 2y ago
      Prevention generally costs less than treatment. It’s a great way to save money overall - unless you want to be the person at the restaurant who won’t split the bill because one of your party ordered extra fries.
nradov 2y ago
Your expectations are unreasonable. The medical system is extremely expensive to operate. Highly paid physicians should be reserved for delivering the most complex care. If consumers need guidance on making healthier lifestyle choices then doctors aren't even the best source. Utilize cheaper professionals for that stuff: therapists, counselors, social workers, dieticians, personal trainers, etc.
- trust_bt_verify 2y ago
  You are really extrapolating on what you think my expectations are. I never said everyone is entitled to a 3 hour conversation with a surgeon about the benefits of organic foods on their diets. Do you not discuss your lifestyle choices with your doctor at your yearly physical? That is as far as my expectations went for my previous comment and I believe that should be provided to every citizen of a modern society.
  - nradov 2y ago
    I don't get a yearly physical. While I do get a few periodic screenings there is no proven benefit to a yearly physical for asymptomatic adults. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK82767/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK82767/ When I do see a doctor I don't waste time discussing lifestyle choices with them. Doctors have minimal training in that area and it's largely a waste of time. I rely on physicians for medical issues only. There are far better sources for other topics. Instead of telling us what you believe, stick to evidence-based medicine.
    - trust_bt_verify 2y ago
      Well that is quite the charmed perspective on life you have, a specialist for every question available when needed. Many don't have the access you do and a yearly chat with their primary care doctor goes a long way for their health.
      - nradov 2y ago
        You're really missing the point or being intentionally obtuse. The people who are better qualified to provide guidance on lifestyle issues are actually less expensive and more accessible than doctors. A "yearly chat" with a primary care doctor does little or nothing for the health of asymptomatic adults. Did you even read the article I linked above?
        trust_bt_verify 2y ago

echelon 2y ago

> If partying is a problem, they should be able to talk to a doctor about it, and it should be paid for as a part of the services provided by society. I feel like I'm on an alien planet here. We should pay for people to get lifestyle advice? This is malinvestment. Put that money into research instead.

foldr 2y ago
Paying for people to get lifestyle advice is a great investment as it reduces both the cost of their healthcare and various externalities associated with living in a society where lots of people are unhealthy.
- echelon 2y ago
  How much does that cost? Edit: Why should we pay for this instead of food insecurity, education, research, etc.? Will measured outcomes give us bang for the buck?
  - foldr 2y ago
    Prevention generally costs less than treatment. It’s a great way to save money overall - unless you want to be the person at the restaurant who won’t split the bill because one of your party ordered extra fries.

nradov 2y ago

Your expectations are unreasonable. The medical system is extremely expensive to operate. Highly paid physicians should be reserved for delivering the most complex care. If consumers need guidance on making healthier lifestyle choices then doctors aren't even the best source. Utilize cheaper professionals for that stuff: therapists, counselors, social workers, dieticians, personal trainers, etc.

trust_bt_verify 2y ago
You are really extrapolating on what you think my expectations are. I never said everyone is entitled to a 3 hour conversation with a surgeon about the benefits of organic foods on their diets. Do you not discuss your lifestyle choices with your doctor at your yearly physical? That is as far as my expectations went for my previous comment and I believe that should be provided to every citizen of a modern society.
- nradov 2y ago
  I don't get a yearly physical. While I do get a few periodic screenings there is no proven benefit to a yearly physical for asymptomatic adults. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK82767/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK82767/ When I do see a doctor I don't waste time discussing lifestyle choices with them. Doctors have minimal training in that area and it's largely a waste of time. I rely on physicians for medical issues only. There are far better sources for other topics. Instead of telling us what you believe, stick to evidence-based medicine.
  - trust_bt_verify 2y ago
    Well that is quite the charmed perspective on life you have, a specialist for every question available when needed. Many don't have the access you do and a yearly chat with their primary care doctor goes a long way for their health.
    - nradov 2y ago
      You're really missing the point or being intentionally obtuse. The people who are better qualified to provide guidance on lifestyle issues are actually less expensive and more accessible than doctors. A "yearly chat" with a primary care doctor does little or nothing for the health of asymptomatic adults. Did you even read the article I linked above?
      - trust_bt_verify 2y ago