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Very poor unsubstantiated viewpoint. The epitome of socialized healthcare would be healthcare in a communist state. And Cuba, in spite of completely inhumane an

Very poor unsubstantiated viewpoint. The epitome of socialized healthcare would be healthcare in a communist state. And Cuba, in spite of completely inhumane and unreasonable sanctions imposed by the united states, still beats the US on metrics such as life expectancy. This proves the falsehood of the idea that state-run healthcare is inherently less efficient.

nradov 3y ago
False. Cuba has shorter life expectancy than the USA. But beyond basic stuff like immunizations, antibiotics, and trauma care, healthcare has a very small impact on life expectancy anyway. Once you have a serious chronic medical condition, even the most advanced healthcare system can generally only give you a few extra years.
- wesselbindt 3y ago
  What are you talking about, it's there clear as day, cuba beats the US on life expectancy: https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CUB/cuba/life-expectancy#:~:text=The%20life%20expectancy%20for%20Cuba,a%200.12%25%20increase%20from%202020 https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CUB/cub....
  - nradov 3y ago
    What are you talking about, it's there clear as day, the US beats Cuba on life expectancy: https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/ https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/
    - wesselbindt 3y ago
      > The current life expectancy for Cuba in 2024 is 79.33 years, a 0.19% increase from 2023. > The current life expectancy for U.S. in 2024 is 79.25 years, a 0.18% increase from 2023. Regardless of this whole discussion we're having, I'm confused as to how we're both able to come up with such different numbers from the same source. The above are direct quotes from the website we're both looking at. And then there's this [1] study, which finds that socialized healthcare beats privatized on life expectancy by about 10 years on average. If you don't like life expectancy as a metric, consider [2]. It compares the US to various other developed countries, the primary difference being that the other countries have socialized healthcare. Private health care loses on all but one of a much wider range of metrics. Your belief that private health care is in some sense better is pure ideology, and has no basis in reality. https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CUB/cuba/life-expectancy https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CUB/cub... https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/united-states/life-expectancy https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/uni... [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9653205/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9653205/ [2] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/358397629_Mirror_Mirror_2021_Reflecting_Poorly_-_Health_Care_in_the_US_Compared_to_Other_High-Income_Countries https://www.researchgate.net/publication/358397629_Mirror_Mi...
      - nradov 3y ago
        I never claimed that private healthcare is better. Don't put words in my mouth. As for impact of various healthcare funding models on life expectancy, you appear to be confusing correlation with causation. The larger point is that healthcare system quality beyond a certain minimum level has only a small impact on life expectancy. It matters far less than lifestyle issues (diet, exercise, substance abuse) and sanitation.

nradov 3y ago

False. Cuba has shorter life expectancy than the USA. But beyond basic stuff like immunizations, antibiotics, and trauma care, healthcare has a very small impact on life expectancy anyway. Once you have a serious chronic medical condition, even the most advanced healthcare system can generally only give you a few extra years.

wesselbindt 3y ago
What are you talking about, it's there clear as day, cuba beats the US on life expectancy: https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CUB/cuba/life-expectancy#:~:text=The%20life%20expectancy%20for%20Cuba,a%200.12%25%20increase%20from%202020 https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CUB/cub....
- nradov 3y ago
  What are you talking about, it's there clear as day, the US beats Cuba on life expectancy: https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/ https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/
  - wesselbindt 3y ago
    > The current life expectancy for Cuba in 2024 is 79.33 years, a 0.19% increase from 2023. > The current life expectancy for U.S. in 2024 is 79.25 years, a 0.18% increase from 2023. Regardless of this whole discussion we're having, I'm confused as to how we're both able to come up with such different numbers from the same source. The above are direct quotes from the website we're both looking at. And then there's this [1] study, which finds that socialized healthcare beats privatized on life expectancy by about 10 years on average. If you don't like life expectancy as a metric, consider [2]. It compares the US to various other developed countries, the primary difference being that the other countries have socialized healthcare. Private health care loses on all but one of a much wider range of metrics. Your belief that private health care is in some sense better is pure ideology, and has no basis in reality. https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CUB/cuba/life-expectancy https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CUB/cub... https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/united-states/life-expectancy https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/uni... [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9653205/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9653205/ [2] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/358397629_Mirror_Mirror_2021_Reflecting_Poorly_-_Health_Care_in_the_US_Compared_to_Other_High-Income_Countries https://www.researchgate.net/publication/358397629_Mirror_Mi...
    - nradov 3y ago
      I never claimed that private healthcare is better. Don't put words in my mouth. As for impact of various healthcare funding models on life expectancy, you appear to be confusing correlation with causation. The larger point is that healthcare system quality beyond a certain minimum level has only a small impact on life expectancy. It matters far less than lifestyle issues (diet, exercise, substance abuse) and sanitation.