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Why? To give terrible service and managed by bureaucrats? Or being a leech of the state medical system?

by aaa_aaa 2y ago

dartharva 2y ago
How are the current for-profit hospitals not the same in addition to being hilariously unaffordable?
- aaa_aaa 2y ago
  Basically they have huge monopoly on the opposite side. So they go to niche (eg rich.)
  - dartharva 2y ago
    Then let there be separate private hospitals for "the niche". Regular hospitals should be public.
wesselbindt 2y ago
Very poor unsubstantiated viewpoint. The epitome of socialized healthcare would be healthcare in a communist state. And Cuba, in spite of completely inhumane and unreasonable sanctions imposed by the united states, still beats the US on metrics such as life expectancy. This proves the falsehood of the idea that state-run healthcare is inherently less efficient.
- nradov 2y ago
  False. Cuba has shorter life expectancy than the USA. But beyond basic stuff like immunizations, antibiotics, and trauma care, healthcare has a very small impact on life expectancy anyway. Once you have a serious chronic medical condition, even the most advanced healthcare system can generally only give you a few extra years.
  - wesselbindt 2y ago
    What are you talking about, it's there clear as day, cuba beats the US on life expectancy: https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CUB/cuba/life-expectancy#:~:text=The%20life%20expectancy%20for%20Cuba,a%200.12%25%20increase%20from%202020 https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CUB/cub....
    - nradov 2y ago
      What are you talking about, it's there clear as day, the US beats Cuba on life expectancy: https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/ https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/
      - wesselbindt 2y ago
        > The current life expectancy for Cuba in 2024 is 79.33 years, a 0.19% increase from 2023. > The current life expectancy for U.S. in 2024 is 79.25 years, a 0.18% increase from 2023. Regardless of this whole discussion we're having, I'm confused as to how we're both able to come up with such different numbers from the same source. The above are direct quotes from the website we're both looking at. And then there's this [1] study, which finds that socialized healthcare beats privatized on life expectancy by about 10 years on average. If you don't like life expectancy as a metric, consider [2]. It compares the US to various other developed countries, the primary difference being that the other countries have socialized healthcare. Private health care loses on all but one of a much wider range of metrics. Your belief that private health care is in some sense better is pure ideology, and has no basis in reality. https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CUB/cuba/life-expectancy https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CUB/cub... https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/united-states/life-expectancy https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/uni... [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9653205/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9653205/ [2] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/358397629_Mirror_Mirror_2021_Reflecting_Poorly_-_Health_Care_in_the_US_Compared_to_Other_High-Income_Countries https://www.researchgate.net/publication/358397629_Mirror_Mi...
olliej 2y ago
Do you have data to back up the claim that private healthcare out performs public? I don't mean "if I have millions of dollars I can get treated for whatever I want, whenever I want", I mean "if you are an average person, with an average income, and average insurance what is the time to a necessary procedure, and how much will it cost you". You can always find articles with people complaining about service in countries with actual PHS, but in my experience the same thing applies to US hospitals, with the added fun that your insurance may simply not cover anything so there's no waitlist by virtue of no treatment options, and then even if it does cover it you can still have a huge copay.

Why? To give terrible service and managed by bureaucrats? Or being a leech of the state medical system?

dartharva 2y ago

How are the current for-profit hospitals not the same in addition to being hilariously unaffordable?

aaa_aaa 2y ago
Basically they have huge monopoly on the opposite side. So they go to niche (eg rich.)
- dartharva 2y ago
  Then let there be separate private hospitals for "the niche". Regular hospitals should be public.

wesselbindt 2y ago

Very poor unsubstantiated viewpoint. The epitome of socialized healthcare would be healthcare in a communist state. And Cuba, in spite of completely inhumane and unreasonable sanctions imposed by the united states, still beats the US on metrics such as life expectancy. This proves the falsehood of the idea that state-run healthcare is inherently less efficient.

nradov 2y ago
False. Cuba has shorter life expectancy than the USA. But beyond basic stuff like immunizations, antibiotics, and trauma care, healthcare has a very small impact on life expectancy anyway. Once you have a serious chronic medical condition, even the most advanced healthcare system can generally only give you a few extra years.
- wesselbindt 2y ago
  What are you talking about, it's there clear as day, cuba beats the US on life expectancy: https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CUB/cuba/life-expectancy#:~:text=The%20life%20expectancy%20for%20Cuba,a%200.12%25%20increase%20from%202020 https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CUB/cub....
  - nradov 2y ago
    What are you talking about, it's there clear as day, the US beats Cuba on life expectancy: https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/ https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/
    - wesselbindt 2y ago
      > The current life expectancy for Cuba in 2024 is 79.33 years, a 0.19% increase from 2023. > The current life expectancy for U.S. in 2024 is 79.25 years, a 0.18% increase from 2023. Regardless of this whole discussion we're having, I'm confused as to how we're both able to come up with such different numbers from the same source. The above are direct quotes from the website we're both looking at. And then there's this [1] study, which finds that socialized healthcare beats privatized on life expectancy by about 10 years on average. If you don't like life expectancy as a metric, consider [2]. It compares the US to various other developed countries, the primary difference being that the other countries have socialized healthcare. Private health care loses on all but one of a much wider range of metrics. Your belief that private health care is in some sense better is pure ideology, and has no basis in reality. https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CUB/cuba/life-expectancy https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CUB/cub... https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/united-states/life-expectancy https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/uni... [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9653205/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9653205/ [2] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/358397629_Mirror_Mirror_2021_Reflecting_Poorly_-_Health_Care_in_the_US_Compared_to_Other_High-Income_Countries https://www.researchgate.net/publication/358397629_Mirror_Mi...

olliej 2y ago

Do you have data to back up the claim that private healthcare out performs public? I don't mean "if I have millions of dollars I can get treated for whatever I want, whenever I want", I mean "if you are an average person, with an average income, and average insurance what is the time to a necessary procedure, and how much will it cost you". You can always find articles with people complaining about service in countries with actual PHS, but in my experience the same thing applies to US hospitals, with the added fun that your insurance may simply not cover anything so there's no waitlist by virtue of no treatment options, and then even if it does cover it you can still have a huge copay.