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There's a strong correlation between attractiveness and IQ [1], which in turn is going to result in there being a strong correlation between attractiveness and

There's a strong correlation between attractiveness and IQ [1], which in turn is going to result in there being a strong correlation between attractiveness and anything that higher IQ would be predictive of - which presumably includes success in court. [1] - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289610001315 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01602...

_Parfait_ 3y ago
This is interesting...considering the high IQ profession aren't seemingly littered with attractive people. I'm sure there are stronger correlations for that case though.
- MattGaiser 3y ago
  Some argue that relatively, they are. https://www.ft.com/content/4d3b1346-2c5b-11e5-8613-e7aedbb7bdb7 https://www.ft.com/content/4d3b1346-2c5b-11e5-8613-e7aedbb7b... We just don’t notice the relatively uglier people.
  - saltminer 3y ago
    Paywall bypass: https://archive.is/Kbcrl https://archive.is/Kbcrl
dctoedt 3y ago
Years ago I read that the first Rothschilds to go into banking (men, of course) were not especially attractive. Financial success supposedly helped successive generations of the men to marry attractive women, so that later generations of men in the family looked like models or movie stars. (I wouldn’t know a Rothschild if I saw one so can’t opine on that.)
- Rinzler89 3y ago
  It's not about marrying more attractive spouses for breeding better looking offspring, but what a lot of these studies miss is that wealthy people who are genetically disadvantaged have the funds the invest in their appearance to become better looking: best timely medical care, fixing teeth, becoming taller, correcting posture, hair implants, plastic surgery and skin care, hiring professional trainers and nutritionists, living in nice, quiet, green areas to reduce stress and sleep better, and other potential quackery rich people have access too like blood transfusions. Just look at Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk before and after they became wealthy, they're better looking despite being 10-20 years older. Basically, higher IQ can help you build wealth, and higher wealth can help you become better looking, but high IQ is not directly responsible for better looks.
  - creato 3y ago
    > Just look at Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk before and after they became wealthy, they're better looking despite being 10-20 years older. I doubt this is really true, you're just seeing the results of frequently getting photographed/recorded in staged managed situations by professional photographers, probably with makeup. That's also something that happens more often when you're wealthy.
    - Wytwwww 3y ago
      Didn't Musk undergo a massive amount of plastic surgery and had other stuff like hair transplants (and presumably a lot of steroids)?
  - User23 3y ago
    That’s just anabolic steroids (plus drugs to keep their testes), six hours a week at the gym, and about 1000 grams of dietary protein a week. None of that requires being a billionaire or even close.
    - Rinzler89 3y ago
      Steroids won't fix your acne, posture, teeth, wrinkles, saggy skin, asymmetric face, short height, baldness, etc. Steroids help you quickly and easily become muscular, you'll still be ugly, but jacked.
- tazu 3y ago
  This is similar to Ashkenazi Jewish history where "blending in" with the native European population was crucial to their survival. Many wealthy traders married in to the aristocracy.
delichon 3y ago
As an extremely handsome man I can confirm that the associated privileges and immunities are entirely based on merit.
- deleted 3y ago
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unyttigfjelltol 3y ago
Or the attorney has some success, spends the effort to get a professional photo, is motivated to brush their hair in the morning, and so it was better success that made them "attractive".
skybrian 3y ago
Just about everything good is correlated, and also everything bad. We could also talk about the correlation between attractiveness and good health, or between IQ and healthiness, which surely works both ways, as well having common causes. Sometimes when try to draw the casual graph, you find that it’s fully connected. There are all sorts of reasons for connections. It would be unusual for a correlation to be exactly zero. But because people vary, it doesn’t mean that this sort of reasoning works well for individuals.

_Parfait_ 3y ago

This is interesting...considering the high IQ profession aren't seemingly littered with attractive people. I'm sure there are stronger correlations for that case though.

MattGaiser 3y ago
Some argue that relatively, they are. https://www.ft.com/content/4d3b1346-2c5b-11e5-8613-e7aedbb7bdb7 https://www.ft.com/content/4d3b1346-2c5b-11e5-8613-e7aedbb7b... We just don’t notice the relatively uglier people.
- saltminer 3y ago
  Paywall bypass: https://archive.is/Kbcrl https://archive.is/Kbcrl

dctoedt 3y ago

Years ago I read that the first Rothschilds to go into banking (men, of course) were not especially attractive. Financial success supposedly helped successive generations of the men to marry attractive women, so that later generations of men in the family looked like models or movie stars. (I wouldn’t know a Rothschild if I saw one so can’t opine on that.)

Rinzler89 3y ago
It's not about marrying more attractive spouses for breeding better looking offspring, but what a lot of these studies miss is that wealthy people who are genetically disadvantaged have the funds the invest in their appearance to become better looking: best timely medical care, fixing teeth, becoming taller, correcting posture, hair implants, plastic surgery and skin care, hiring professional trainers and nutritionists, living in nice, quiet, green areas to reduce stress and sleep better, and other potential quackery rich people have access too like blood transfusions. Just look at Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk before and after they became wealthy, they're better looking despite being 10-20 years older. Basically, higher IQ can help you build wealth, and higher wealth can help you become better looking, but high IQ is not directly responsible for better looks.
- creato 3y ago
  > Just look at Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk before and after they became wealthy, they're better looking despite being 10-20 years older. I doubt this is really true, you're just seeing the results of frequently getting photographed/recorded in staged managed situations by professional photographers, probably with makeup. That's also something that happens more often when you're wealthy.
  - Wytwwww 3y ago
    Didn't Musk undergo a massive amount of plastic surgery and had other stuff like hair transplants (and presumably a lot of steroids)?
- User23 3y ago
  That’s just anabolic steroids (plus drugs to keep their testes), six hours a week at the gym, and about 1000 grams of dietary protein a week. None of that requires being a billionaire or even close.
  - Rinzler89 3y ago
    Steroids won't fix your acne, posture, teeth, wrinkles, saggy skin, asymmetric face, short height, baldness, etc. Steroids help you quickly and easily become muscular, you'll still be ugly, but jacked.
tazu 3y ago
This is similar to Ashkenazi Jewish history where "blending in" with the native European population was crucial to their survival. Many wealthy traders married in to the aristocracy.

delichon 3y ago

As an extremely handsome man I can confirm that the associated privileges and immunities are entirely based on merit.

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unyttigfjelltol 3y ago

Or the attorney has some success, spends the effort to get a professional photo, is motivated to brush their hair in the morning, and so it was better success that made them "attractive".

skybrian 3y ago

Just about everything good is correlated, and also everything bad. We could also talk about the correlation between attractiveness and good health, or between IQ and healthiness, which surely works both ways, as well having common causes. Sometimes when try to draw the casual graph, you find that it’s fully connected. There are all sorts of reasons for connections. It would be unusual for a correlation to be exactly zero. But because people vary, it doesn’t mean that this sort of reasoning works well for individuals.