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Rather the reverse. Any publication is easily available in PDF. Real solid furniture is nearly impossibly to find new. Everthing is particleboard and vaneers, o

by TylerE 3y ago

Rather the reverse. Any publication is easily available in PDF. Real solid furniture is nearly impossibly to find new. Everthing is particleboard and vaneers, or if higher end, mdf and veneers.

Semaphor 3y ago
What? I bought a bed last year. It’s solid wood, only the bottom of the under-bed-drawers being some kind of glued material. And it wasn’t even some super high-end thing, including the drawers, I paid just below 1000 € for it. When searching for a bed to buy (as I wanted solid wood), I even found many stores specializing in solid wood furniture.
- saulpw 3y ago
  But notably, it's not old. No one wants the old stuff anymore, no matter how good.
  - iainmerrick 3y ago
    There's a big difference between "no-one" and "not enough people to make it worthwhile storing and transporting large and heavy furniture so it can be sold at a reasonable price". Friction is a thing.
    - TylerE 3y ago
      and not of us live in cities with furniture showrooms. The nearest stores with halfway decent stuff are like 3 hours from here - and that's just to look, never mind the hassles of arranging I'm actually in the middle of getting a custom computer/music desk shipped cross country right now. Not solid wood either, and the thing still cost almost $2k with shipping.
  - Semaphor 3y ago
    Check the comment I replied to, it's talking about new furniture
- TylerE 3y ago
  Now try finding a solid wood table that doesn't cost $3,000+.
  - Semaphor 3y ago
    Literally the first result on the site I checked [0], solid wood table on sale for 339 €. Do you want to move the goalposts even further? [0]: https://www.otto.de/p/gozos-esstisch-scots-pine-series-esstisch-massivholz-aus-baumstamm-handgefertigt-180-cm-x-80-cm-massivholz-S0P8R0A4 https://www.otto.de/p/gozos-esstisch-scots-pine-series-essti...
    - fock 3y ago
      The problem there is figuratively with the posts. Screwing a board to a metal U is easy. Nicely joining 4 wooden legs to the board is not... I have also done the former multiple times, with custom-made lower parts and it is very painful to see highpriced cr* like the one in the link popping up everywhere, where it could easily be made custom (even in relatively High-CoL locations) for nearly the same price. The thing above is 30€ for steel, 2h of manual work (where the non welding prep of sawing metal pieces can be done by anyone... I did this for a trapezoidal shape of my own design...), next to nothing for painting (powdercoat would be nice, but likely not done...) and then a plank of some random wood from Ukraine (30€, 200€ if you construct it custommade from planks). I gather the main problem lies with the availability of designs and likely this could be solved by providing those (for example by an IT platform selling plans and matching suppliers with customers).
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    - digitalsushi 3y ago
      As a woodworker I would love to grab a goalpost and drag it 30 meters further down the field - pine is not wood, pine is an organic cardboard with superior strength and durability to cardboard, but is otherwise the same material. (You did make your point though. I just really vehemently dislike pine as a building material for furniture)
pbhjpbhj 3y ago
Easily? Can be made easily available, but it's not like everything published has been well preserved or is publicly available.
layer8 3y ago
> Real solid furniture is nearly impossibly to find new. No, it’s just become very expensive.
- bonoboTP 3y ago
  It always was expensive. Most people couldn't buy them, and if they had them, they'd pass them on for generations. The difference is that today people don't think their grandkids will want to take decades old furniture in old style. They will probably live very far anyway and things change fast. Expectations and lifestyles are just different now.
zettabomb 3y ago
There are multiple ongoing efforts to find or sometimes recreate media which has been lost to time, including media which was originally published only digitally. The difference is that I can make new furniture which looks similar to or even indistinguishable to older pieces, but it becomes quite difficult (essentially impossible) to recreate for example, early episodes of Doctor Who. In general, I'd have to say it's irresponsible to not at least look to see if someone else has a good quality digital copy first - surprisingly often, they do not.

by TylerE 3y ago

Rather the reverse. Any publication is easily available in PDF. Real solid furniture is nearly impossibly to find new. Everthing is particleboard and vaneers, or if higher end, mdf and veneers.

Semaphor 3y ago

What? I bought a bed last year. It’s solid wood, only the bottom of the under-bed-drawers being some kind of glued material. And it wasn’t even some super high-end thing, including the drawers, I paid just below 1000 € for it. When searching for a bed to buy (as I wanted solid wood), I even found many stores specializing in solid wood furniture.

saulpw 3y ago
But notably, it's not old. No one wants the old stuff anymore, no matter how good.
- iainmerrick 3y ago
  There's a big difference between "no-one" and "not enough people to make it worthwhile storing and transporting large and heavy furniture so it can be sold at a reasonable price". Friction is a thing.
  - TylerE 3y ago
    and not of us live in cities with furniture showrooms. The nearest stores with halfway decent stuff are like 3 hours from here - and that's just to look, never mind the hassles of arranging I'm actually in the middle of getting a custom computer/music desk shipped cross country right now. Not solid wood either, and the thing still cost almost $2k with shipping.
- Semaphor 3y ago
  Check the comment I replied to, it's talking about new furniture
TylerE 3y ago
Now try finding a solid wood table that doesn't cost $3,000+.
- Semaphor 3y ago
  Literally the first result on the site I checked [0], solid wood table on sale for 339 €. Do you want to move the goalposts even further? [0]: https://www.otto.de/p/gozos-esstisch-scots-pine-series-esstisch-massivholz-aus-baumstamm-handgefertigt-180-cm-x-80-cm-massivholz-S0P8R0A4 https://www.otto.de/p/gozos-esstisch-scots-pine-series-essti...
  - fock 3y ago
    The problem there is figuratively with the posts. Screwing a board to a metal U is easy. Nicely joining 4 wooden legs to the board is not... I have also done the former multiple times, with custom-made lower parts and it is very painful to see highpriced cr* like the one in the link popping up everywhere, where it could easily be made custom (even in relatively High-CoL locations) for nearly the same price. The thing above is 30€ for steel, 2h of manual work (where the non welding prep of sawing metal pieces can be done by anyone... I did this for a trapezoidal shape of my own design...), next to nothing for painting (powdercoat would be nice, but likely not done...) and then a plank of some random wood from Ukraine (30€, 200€ if you construct it custommade from planks). I gather the main problem lies with the availability of designs and likely this could be solved by providing those (for example by an IT platform selling plans and matching suppliers with customers).
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  - digitalsushi 3y ago
    As a woodworker I would love to grab a goalpost and drag it 30 meters further down the field - pine is not wood, pine is an organic cardboard with superior strength and durability to cardboard, but is otherwise the same material. (You did make your point though. I just really vehemently dislike pine as a building material for furniture)

pbhjpbhj 3y ago

Easily? Can be made easily available, but it's not like everything published has been well preserved or is publicly available.

layer8 3y ago

> Real solid furniture is nearly impossibly to find new. No, it’s just become very expensive.

bonoboTP 3y ago
It always was expensive. Most people couldn't buy them, and if they had them, they'd pass them on for generations. The difference is that today people don't think their grandkids will want to take decades old furniture in old style. They will probably live very far anyway and things change fast. Expectations and lifestyles are just different now.

zettabomb 3y ago

There are multiple ongoing efforts to find or sometimes recreate media which has been lost to time, including media which was originally published only digitally. The difference is that I can make new furniture which looks similar to or even indistinguishable to older pieces, but it becomes quite difficult (essentially impossible) to recreate for example, early episodes of Doctor Who. In general, I'd have to say it's irresponsible to not at least look to see if someone else has a good quality digital copy first - surprisingly often, they do not.