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Compare the reaction to Bob Lee's death from someone who was murdered by someone he knew vs the lack of reaction to the most likely way any of us are killed. T

Compare the reaction to Bob Lee's death from someone who was murdered by someone he knew vs the lack of reaction to the most likely way any of us are killed. Traffic violence has become completely normalized, just the cost of doing business. You can constantly speed through school zones with no repercussions, especially if you cover your plate. If you're looking to kill someone and get away with it, do it in your car.

add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
Yeah one was murder and the other wasn't. Of course there are different reactions. The car aspect is irrelevant.
- erikaww 2y ago
  Case in point, it’s normalized violence. This is perhaps more tragic since it’s the fault of bad infrastructure and broken justice system empowering narcissists and criminals
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CM30 2y ago
So the difference between killing someone accidentally vs deliberately? If you deliberately kill someone with a vehicle, then that would also be murder and you'd get the same sort of punishment as if you used anything else. If you accidentally killed someone without a vehicle, you'd also get far less of a reaction as with this case. This case is a horrible tragedy and it's a farce that someone who kept breaking the law kept their license afterwards, but it's not evidence traffic violence is normalised. Just that people (rightly) treat accidental deaths as less of a big deal than deliberate ones. If you mean that driving is too dangerous overall, then sorry, but I'd disagree with that. Not only do most people not get into accidents when driving or around cars, but there are plenty of things in life that are dangerous that kill a lot of people that we've accepted are tradeoffs for a more free society.
- earthling8118 2y ago
  Cars don't make a society more free. They've certainly become a cage in modern times. And driving is one of the most dangerous things most of us do.
  - atonse 2y ago
    It might be the most dangerous thing we do but that doesn’t mean it’s that dangerous, it may say more about how safe the other things we do are. I’d probably wager that being a pedestrian is less safe than driving.
    - shiroiushi 2y ago
      Well of course it is, because of the drivers.
      - atonse 2y ago
        Depends on how you frame it. Yes, there might be many cases where it's the driver's fault, but there are cases where the pedestrians were jaywalking and behaving in erratic ways. I remember hearing a statistic (I can't find the source yet so please treat it as unverified) that a non-trivial proportion of pedestrians that were run over were intoxicated (the pedestrians, not the drivers). I'm not saying this to assign blame to one party or another, just to refute the simplistic statement that it's just the drivers' fault.
        acdha 2y ago
        It’s almost always the driver’s fault for speeding or not paying attention – people say “they jumped in front of me” but almost any time the police look for camera footage or find witnesses, it turns out that the driver wasn’t paying attention. The problem is that if someone is killed, they aren’t around to argue their side of the story and most cases simply aren’t investigated.
        shiroiushi 2y ago
jseliger 2y ago
Traffic violence has become completely normalized, just the cost of doing business. You can constantly speed through school zones with no repercussions, especially if you cover your plate. It's amazing that most people don't think this way: https://jakeseliger.com/2019/12/16/maybe-cars-are-just-really-bad-but-theyre-normal-so-we-dont-pay-attention-to-how-bad/ https://jakeseliger.com/2019/12/16/maybe-cars-are-just-reall...

add-sub-mul-div 2y ago

Yeah one was murder and the other wasn't. Of course there are different reactions. The car aspect is irrelevant.

erikaww 2y ago
Case in point, it’s normalized violence. This is perhaps more tragic since it’s the fault of bad infrastructure and broken justice system empowering narcissists and criminals
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CM30 2y ago

So the difference between killing someone accidentally vs deliberately? If you deliberately kill someone with a vehicle, then that would also be murder and you'd get the same sort of punishment as if you used anything else. If you accidentally killed someone without a vehicle, you'd also get far less of a reaction as with this case. This case is a horrible tragedy and it's a farce that someone who kept breaking the law kept their license afterwards, but it's not evidence traffic violence is normalised. Just that people (rightly) treat accidental deaths as less of a big deal than deliberate ones. If you mean that driving is too dangerous overall, then sorry, but I'd disagree with that. Not only do most people not get into accidents when driving or around cars, but there are plenty of things in life that are dangerous that kill a lot of people that we've accepted are tradeoffs for a more free society.

earthling8118 2y ago
Cars don't make a society more free. They've certainly become a cage in modern times. And driving is one of the most dangerous things most of us do.
- atonse 2y ago
  It might be the most dangerous thing we do but that doesn’t mean it’s that dangerous, it may say more about how safe the other things we do are. I’d probably wager that being a pedestrian is less safe than driving.
  - shiroiushi 2y ago
    Well of course it is, because of the drivers.
    - atonse 2y ago
      Depends on how you frame it. Yes, there might be many cases where it's the driver's fault, but there are cases where the pedestrians were jaywalking and behaving in erratic ways. I remember hearing a statistic (I can't find the source yet so please treat it as unverified) that a non-trivial proportion of pedestrians that were run over were intoxicated (the pedestrians, not the drivers). I'm not saying this to assign blame to one party or another, just to refute the simplistic statement that it's just the drivers' fault.
      - acdha 2y ago
        It’s almost always the driver’s fault for speeding or not paying attention – people say “they jumped in front of me” but almost any time the police look for camera footage or find witnesses, it turns out that the driver wasn’t paying attention. The problem is that if someone is killed, they aren’t around to argue their side of the story and most cases simply aren’t investigated.
      - shiroiushi 2y ago

jseliger 2y ago

Traffic violence has become completely normalized, just the cost of doing business. You can constantly speed through school zones with no repercussions, especially if you cover your plate. It's amazing that most people don't think this way: https://jakeseliger.com/2019/12/16/maybe-cars-are-just-really-bad-but-theyre-normal-so-we-dont-pay-attention-to-how-bad/ https://jakeseliger.com/2019/12/16/maybe-cars-are-just-reall...