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Introducing Kagi Search's New Design
- almyk 3y agoThey also added gemini 1.5 pro to their chat assistant. However, it seems like it isn't added to the select menu yet, but it can be accessed by changing sub_mode to 8 in the url query.
- fiatjaf 3y agoI had been using multiple AI assistants to get information because Google search really wasn't delivering it. But now that I'm using Kagi with super fast unlimited searches I almost never feel the need to ask one of these AI things anymore.
- rfarley04 3y agoI finally switched to Kagi last month after reading a bunch of HN comments that boiled down to "trust me, it's worth it." And now I'm here to say "trust me, it's worth it."
- AlotOfReading 3y agoTo illustrate how good kagi is, here's the things it's not as good at (for me): 1) the weather widget doesn't show precipitation chances in the future, only for today 2) historical queries like "newspaper articles on interest rates from 1/1/2008" are subpar compared to Google. Probably related to the recency of their index. 3) hyperlocal queries that rely on contextual information like location need to have that info explicitly stated, otherwise "best restaurants" returns a list of restaurants in Poland for example. Sort of inherent to the privacy thing though. Everything else, all the normal queries work as well or better for me than Google.
- pbohun 3y agoIn the old days, I could search for something niche on Google and get blogs/enthusiast websites. Does Kagi do that, or will I only get commercial results like modern Google?
- bbertelsen 3y agoYes, you can ask it for small web results and they are mostly personal websites.
- ipaddr 3y agoThey filters out sites with ads or trackers. The results are clean sites. Some blogs/old sites do have ads so it's not exactly like google. Naturally Porn / nsfw types site are missing.
- biglyburrito 3y agoSign up for the Kagi trial (100 free searches) & see for yourself. If garbage floats to the top, you can easily block the domain or lower its ranking in your results by mousing over the shield to the right of the search result. If you find blog/enthusiast sites you like, raise their ranking in your results the same way.
- rfarley04 3y agoYea, you'd use the "small web" lens: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/lenses.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/lenses.html (I swear I don't work for Kagi haha, I just love this product so much)
- w4 3y agoIt does. They also have filters you can apply to your query to further restrict the results for things like small web (blogs and niche forums, using the Marginalia index AFAIK) and forums (Reddit and so forth), so that you don’t have to resort to appending “Reddit” to your searches. Kagi is basically $20/month to time travel back to 2014-era Google with extra features. It’s fantastic and well worth it. I can’t recommend it enough. Edit: Upon checking my billing it’s $10/mo, not $20. All the better!
- throwup238 3y agoKagi also doesn't support TV show/movie cast queries where it lists the photos of the cast and the name of their characters. It's pretty much the only thing I still use Google for.
- Lunar5227 3y agoI am a huge fan of Kagi, been using it for 6+ months now as my “main” search engine. However, I find that queries in my native language (Swedish) results in way less accurate results than if the query was in English. I would still recommend it to anyone, it’s heaps better than anything else.
- biglyburrito 3y agoYep. Last month, I finally hit the $5/mo plan limit of 300 searches per month & upgraded to the $10/mo unlimited plan. Totally worth it not to waste my time sifting through garbage SEO sites on Google or half-assed DuckDuckGo search results.
- mandeepj 3y ago> a bunch of HN comments that boiled down to "trust me, it's worth it." What happened to Duck Duck Go?
- biglyburrito 3y agoIt's still around, but their search results are lackluster; I was constantly having to rerun the same query in Google to find what I knew was out there. Kagi's search results are way better -- close enough to how good Google used to be 10-15yrs ago that I'm willing to pay $10/mo for it.
- yoshamano 3y agoNothing. Its still there and still my goto search engine when I'm not on one of my personal devices. I just prefer Kagi now because I pay for it so I'm their customer not their product. I also like the configuration options Kagi offers.
- bbertelsen 3y agoI love that you can pin, raise or lower results from specific websites. They also set it up so you can see popular raise/lower and pins. It's wonderful. Trust me too, it's worth it. ~850 searches a month here.
- stefandesu 3y ago> They also set it up so you can see popular raise/lower and pins. That sounds really interesting, have to check those out! I've only used that feature minimally so far.
- Ageodene 2y ago> have to check those out! Dropping a quick link if anyone is interested: https://kagi.com/stats?stat=leaderboard https://kagi.com/stats?stat=leaderboard
- nine_k 3y agoAlso, as always, a great potential for abuse :(
- mattl 3y agoWhat put me off is the AI stuff, I found out Kagi is an AI company.
- callroomlamp 3y agoI feel it synergizes well with their search, especially the quick answer summary of the results. Using it it feels more search than AI to me.
- rez9x 3y agoI've had Kagi for several months now and have no desire to go back. Brave is horrible, DDG is bad, and Google is bad AND Google. I decided it was time to trim subscriptions a few months ago and chose to ditch ChatGPT and keep Kagi.
- bun_terminator 3y agoI just don't want another monthly payment. I know it's good etc, but I just don't want it. I _really_ don't
- NuSkooler 3y agoThat's some super steep pricing
- rileyphone 3y ago$10 a month?
- mhb 3y ago$54/year for 3600 searches. https://kagi.com/settings?p=billing_plan&plan=individual&period=annual https://kagi.com/settings?p=billing_plan&plan=individual&per...
- LeoPanthera 3y agoSo 10 a day? I do way more than 10 searches a day.
- Operyl 3y agoOr unlimited for $10/mo or $108/yr.
- nine_k 3y agoIf you're in the Silicon Valley and spend most of your day on the Internet, $10 for superb search is a no-brainer. If you're a student / postgrad somewhere in the US, it still likely feels worth the price, even though $10 is already not below the threshold of observability. If you are, say, somewhere in Thailand, or Uzbekistan, or Botswana, the $10/mo become unironically noticeable: not prohibitive, but you really want to get a lot of value in exchange. And basically anywhere in the world, if you're a kid, and mom and dad would not buy Kagi for you, you're out of luck.
- rfarley04 3y agoIf you hate Google's obnoxious deference to paid affiliate placements, $10 is nothing
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- atonse 3y agoI really like Kagi and this is probably Apple’s fault but the requirement to install a safari extension which then hijacks your default search is very janky and is my #1 complaint. Any reason it can’t just be added as a search engine?
- louis-lau 3y agoYou're right, it's not possible to set a custom search engine on safari. An extension is the only way. Blame apple :)
- atonse 3y agoInsanity. There used to be some kind of opensearch type thing even in Safari years ago. I guess they took it away. Ridiculous.
- cute_boi 3y agoProbably the reason why google pay so much to them. This is so insane....
- lolinder 3y agoIt's pretty bad, but to be clear, it's not that you can't pick anything other than the default, it's that you are given a tiny selection of the biggest players and have to choose from them. Other browsers allow you to specify an arbitrary URL for it to inject the query string into.
- atonse 2y agoI think Safari used to allow this. Or maybe they didn't, because I used to use something like this years ago and maybe that was when I was using chrome. Does anyone remember if Safari had this?
- Teever 3y agoDamn, that's something that needs to be regulated.
- fiatjaf 3y agoI've been using Kagi for 6 months and I honestly don't know how they do it, it's amazing and it makes me want to vomit every time I see Google or DuckDuckGo, Bing etc. One important thing people rarely mention is that it is so fast. It's so much faster than Google to show results, makes it for a much smoother searching flow.
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- digitalsin 3y agoI've been using Kagi since June of 2022, daily. I had to use Google the other day because I was on someone else's PC and in that moment I was reminded just how awful Google's search has become. You genuinely see how you're the product when you use Google these days.
- wkat4242 3y agoI recently heard of SearXNG and I use it instead now. Where I live $10 is a lot of money, more than it's worth to me especially considering I use LLMs a lot now instead. I find I search a lot less now. And I like the way SearXNG is self-hosted. You can configure and prioritise a lot. And it can even search torrent sites etc. I used to think Kagi had their own index but as far as I've heard most of it is actually meta results from other engines, just re-ordered. The only thing I miss is an integration with ChatGPT, that would be amazing.
- danbulant 3y agoThey do have their own index which is used to detect how many ads the website has etc and for small web / blog searches, but they use meta results to have more results. Also, they do have integration with multiple LLMs - ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, Mistral and their own
- aaravchen 2y agoI used to use open SearXNG instances, but the results still have all the inapplicable garbage in them that I can't filter out. And the results are often incredibly slow. I switched to Kagi because it gave me better results from the get go, and I can customize to block all results from things like YouTube or various poor GitHub/StackOverflow content clones. Where did you find hosting for SearXNG that costs less than $10/month? I have my own server and I can barely get a public reverse proxy to bypass CGNAT for that price. Also, SearXNG isn't very easy to add custom "always block these domains" lists last I looked.
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- offsky 3y agoWhy is sales tax being applied now? Is there some new tax law or is Kagi offering a new benefit that requires taxation?
- freediver 3y agoEvery company is legally required to collect sales tax above certain threshold (defined by each jurisdiction). Kagi passed the threshold in most places and now needs to start collecting it.