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Just to clarify, when you say never. Do you actually mean never (or some practical equivalent like ~100 years), or do you mean not right now, but possibly in 5-

Just to clarify, when you say never. Do you actually mean never (or some practical equivalent like ~100 years), or do you mean not right now, but possibly in 5-10 years? I'm just asking to try to build some intuition on what people who actually train soa models think were capabilities are heading. Either way, congrats on the launch :)

zaptrem 2y ago
Never == "There will never be tears in my eyes as an AI sings ChatGPT-generated lyrics about the cycle of poverty a woman is stuck in (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Car https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Car) because I know all of those experiences are made up."
- visarga 2y ago
  The real value of AI is to be like a map, or like a mirror house, it reflects and recombines all our experiences. You can explore any mental space, travel the latent space of human culture. It is the distillation of all our intelligence, work and passion, you should show more respect and understand what it is. By treating it as if it were worthless you indirectly do the same for the training corpus, which is our heritage. If AI ever surpasses human level in art it will be more interesting to enjoy its creations than to ban it. But we're not there for now, it just imitative, it has no experiences of its own yet. But it will start having experiences as it gets deployed and used by millions, when it starts interacting with artists and art lovers in longer sessions. With each generative art session the AI can collect precious feedback targeted to its own performance. A shared experience with a human bringing complementary capabilities to its own.
- digging 2y ago
  Assume a song comes on the radio in 3 years and you like it. How do you know it's not entirely AI-generated?
- parpfish 2y ago
  There’s also the fact that a major component of music fandom is about the community and sense of personal identity that derives from an artist or a particular scene. Saying that you’re a big fan of a band doesn’t just mean “I like the audio they produce” but often means something much bigger about your fashion/style and personal values. How would any of that work with AI music? Is it possible to develop a community around music if everything is made on demand and nobody experiences the same songs? Will people find other like-minded music fans by recommending their favorite prompt engineers to each other?
  - zaptrem 2y ago
    Our goal is for people to continue being the ones making the music. You'll still come to our site to see XYZ's newest release, it will just be more of a collaboration with AI, similar to how artists collaborate with each other and producers right now.
digging 2y ago
Personally I get very worried reading statements like "AI will never be able to do X", because they seem like obviously false statements. I think if one asserts AI will never be able to do a thing a human brain can do, that needs to be proven, rather than the other way around. For example, if we could reverse engineer the entire human neurology and build an artificial replica of it, why wouldn't we expect it to be able to do everything exactly as a human?
- shepherdjerred 2y ago
  I don't understand those "AI will never be able to do X" statements. Surely AI will be able to do _anything_ in 1000 years. In 100 years it will almost definitely be able to replace most knowledge-based jobs. Even today it can take away many entry-level jobs, e.g. a small business no longer needs to hire someone to write a jingle, or create a logo. In 10 years, I would expect much of programming to either disappear or dramatically shift.
  - cellis 2y ago
    People who don't believe this really aren't immersed in cutting edge research. I think it could even be 5 on the extreme edge of an optimistic prediction.
    - yoyohello13 2y ago
      I think people just don’t want to believe it. Because they’ve seen how people who’ve been displaced tend to be treated. This tech will cause a lot of pain.
      - shepherdjerred 2y ago
        This has to be a component. It is very scary and honestly quite sad.

zaptrem 2y ago

Never == "There will never be tears in my eyes as an AI sings ChatGPT-generated lyrics about the cycle of poverty a woman is stuck in (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Car https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Car) because I know all of those experiences are made up."

visarga 2y ago
The real value of AI is to be like a map, or like a mirror house, it reflects and recombines all our experiences. You can explore any mental space, travel the latent space of human culture. It is the distillation of all our intelligence, work and passion, you should show more respect and understand what it is. By treating it as if it were worthless you indirectly do the same for the training corpus, which is our heritage. If AI ever surpasses human level in art it will be more interesting to enjoy its creations than to ban it. But we're not there for now, it just imitative, it has no experiences of its own yet. But it will start having experiences as it gets deployed and used by millions, when it starts interacting with artists and art lovers in longer sessions. With each generative art session the AI can collect precious feedback targeted to its own performance. A shared experience with a human bringing complementary capabilities to its own.
digging 2y ago
Assume a song comes on the radio in 3 years and you like it. How do you know it's not entirely AI-generated?
parpfish 2y ago
There’s also the fact that a major component of music fandom is about the community and sense of personal identity that derives from an artist or a particular scene. Saying that you’re a big fan of a band doesn’t just mean “I like the audio they produce” but often means something much bigger about your fashion/style and personal values. How would any of that work with AI music? Is it possible to develop a community around music if everything is made on demand and nobody experiences the same songs? Will people find other like-minded music fans by recommending their favorite prompt engineers to each other?
- zaptrem 2y ago
  Our goal is for people to continue being the ones making the music. You'll still come to our site to see XYZ's newest release, it will just be more of a collaboration with AI, similar to how artists collaborate with each other and producers right now.

digging 2y ago

Personally I get very worried reading statements like "AI will never be able to do X", because they seem like obviously false statements. I think if one asserts AI will never be able to do a thing a human brain can do, that needs to be proven, rather than the other way around. For example, if we could reverse engineer the entire human neurology and build an artificial replica of it, why wouldn't we expect it to be able to do everything exactly as a human?

shepherdjerred 2y ago
I don't understand those "AI will never be able to do X" statements. Surely AI will be able to do _anything_ in 1000 years. In 100 years it will almost definitely be able to replace most knowledge-based jobs. Even today it can take away many entry-level jobs, e.g. a small business no longer needs to hire someone to write a jingle, or create a logo. In 10 years, I would expect much of programming to either disappear or dramatically shift.
- cellis 2y ago
  People who don't believe this really aren't immersed in cutting edge research. I think it could even be 5 on the extreme edge of an optimistic prediction.
  - yoyohello13 2y ago
    I think people just don’t want to believe it. Because they’ve seen how people who’ve been displaced tend to be treated. This tech will cause a lot of pain.
    - shepherdjerred 2y ago
      This has to be a component. It is very scary and honestly quite sad.