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Hold up a sec, are you proposing that life in the country is more sedentary than in urban areas? I'm guessing you've never bailed hay.

triceratops 3y ago
> I'm guessing you've never bailed hay Never had my boat fill up with hay so...no. I'd also guess most country people don't bale hay every day.
jimbokun 3y ago
Neither have most people living in rural areas.
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redserk 3y ago
As someone who grew up and lived in a very rural area, most rural people don’t bale hay. Most rural people live like those in the suburbs but are just physically farther away from other people.
klyrs 3y ago
A cursory search indicates that the giant marshmallow looking haybales that modern farming produces are formed by a machine which you tow behind a tractor. I'm just a city gal, but how much of a workout is that, really? Edit: also, why are we speculating on stereotypes and not consulting actual data collected on exactly this question? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7182355/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7182355/ It seems that people living in rural areas are, on average, more sedentary than their urban counterparts, despite the overwhelmingly popular stereotype that rural folk are svelte and outdoorsy.
- mecsred 3y ago
  It's a pretty significant workout. Hooking up, detaching, cleaning and maintaining a bailer is a lot more effort than even a good distance walk. The statistics you're quoting are more so due to the fact that most people in rural areas don't operate a bailer or really any farm machinery. Which showcases one of the problems with relying on "actual data" without having a good understanding of the situation.
  - drawkward 3y ago
    Yes "actual data " is the problem. You even point out yourself >most people in rural areas don't operate...really any farm machinery" Which would be consistent with that damn actual data showing that rural folk are more sedentary than urban folk, in aggregate or on average.
    - forgetfreeman 3y ago
      Except it really wouldn't, because it doesn't take into account any of the bog standard daily lived realities of being rural that include hunting and fishing, managing livestock, working in the trades, dealing with equipment, or hell even just keeping several acres mowed and maintained, all of which are dirt common activities for rural Americans. What, you think you get outside the city and everyone's sitting on their ass in a trailer park collecting welfare and working on their diabetes or something?
      - klyrs 3y ago
        > What, you think you get outside the city and everyone's sitting on their ass in a trailer park collecting welfare and working on their diabetes or something? You're the one slinging data-defying stereotypes around. Believe it or not, "working in the trades" is something lotsa urban folk get up to, as with hunting and fishing, and boy howdy do urbanites love some huge lawns in their green spaces. Do you think urban grass just mows itself? No, cities hire urbanites for such jobs. And, real talk. You made haybaling sound tough; I'll grant you that for lack of experience, but I've ridden a damn lawnmower and it's no great workout. And if my rural family is at all typical, mowing a lawn is a net positive in calories because riding a mower is occasion for a beer or six. But the data says y'all are more sedentary and more obese on average than city dwellers. Now, I'm inclined to blame DDT exposure for the latter statistic, and reliance on cars for the former, but if you want to make some weird judgements about how folks are spending their time, that's on you.
  - klyrs 3y ago
    > most people in rural areas don't operate a bailer or really any farm machinery. This was effectively the claim made in the top-level comment; I responded to somebody countering that with weird claims about baling as if that's a typical activity for rural residents to engage in. But it's not, according to you and according to the data. What problem do you think this is showcasing?
- forgetfreeman 3y ago
  Clearly you've also never seen bailed straw, pine straw, or any of a number of other square baled products. Hell, you had to google round bales and still don't know what they're called. And yeah, not everyone has livestock, that was just tossed off the cuff as an example that the utterly uninitiated would maybe kinda grasp based on experience with lawn care. So anyway, tell us more about how folks in the country are living based on your obvious deep personal experience...

triceratops 3y ago

> I'm guessing you've never bailed hay Never had my boat fill up with hay so...no. I'd also guess most country people don't bale hay every day.

jimbokun 3y ago

Neither have most people living in rural areas.

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redserk 3y ago

As someone who grew up and lived in a very rural area, most rural people don’t bale hay. Most rural people live like those in the suburbs but are just physically farther away from other people.

klyrs 3y ago

A cursory search indicates that the giant marshmallow looking haybales that modern farming produces are formed by a machine which you tow behind a tractor. I'm just a city gal, but how much of a workout is that, really? Edit: also, why are we speculating on stereotypes and not consulting actual data collected on exactly this question? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7182355/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7182355/ It seems that people living in rural areas are, on average, more sedentary than their urban counterparts, despite the overwhelmingly popular stereotype that rural folk are svelte and outdoorsy.

mecsred 3y ago
It's a pretty significant workout. Hooking up, detaching, cleaning and maintaining a bailer is a lot more effort than even a good distance walk. The statistics you're quoting are more so due to the fact that most people in rural areas don't operate a bailer or really any farm machinery. Which showcases one of the problems with relying on "actual data" without having a good understanding of the situation.
- drawkward 3y ago
  Yes "actual data " is the problem. You even point out yourself >most people in rural areas don't operate...really any farm machinery" Which would be consistent with that damn actual data showing that rural folk are more sedentary than urban folk, in aggregate or on average.
  - forgetfreeman 3y ago
    Except it really wouldn't, because it doesn't take into account any of the bog standard daily lived realities of being rural that include hunting and fishing, managing livestock, working in the trades, dealing with equipment, or hell even just keeping several acres mowed and maintained, all of which are dirt common activities for rural Americans. What, you think you get outside the city and everyone's sitting on their ass in a trailer park collecting welfare and working on their diabetes or something?
    - klyrs 3y ago
      > What, you think you get outside the city and everyone's sitting on their ass in a trailer park collecting welfare and working on their diabetes or something? You're the one slinging data-defying stereotypes around. Believe it or not, "working in the trades" is something lotsa urban folk get up to, as with hunting and fishing, and boy howdy do urbanites love some huge lawns in their green spaces. Do you think urban grass just mows itself? No, cities hire urbanites for such jobs. And, real talk. You made haybaling sound tough; I'll grant you that for lack of experience, but I've ridden a damn lawnmower and it's no great workout. And if my rural family is at all typical, mowing a lawn is a net positive in calories because riding a mower is occasion for a beer or six. But the data says y'all are more sedentary and more obese on average than city dwellers. Now, I'm inclined to blame DDT exposure for the latter statistic, and reliance on cars for the former, but if you want to make some weird judgements about how folks are spending their time, that's on you.
- klyrs 3y ago
  > most people in rural areas don't operate a bailer or really any farm machinery. This was effectively the claim made in the top-level comment; I responded to somebody countering that with weird claims about baling as if that's a typical activity for rural residents to engage in. But it's not, according to you and according to the data. What problem do you think this is showcasing?
forgetfreeman 3y ago
Clearly you've also never seen bailed straw, pine straw, or any of a number of other square baled products. Hell, you had to google round bales and still don't know what they're called. And yeah, not everyone has livestock, that was just tossed off the cuff as an example that the utterly uninitiated would maybe kinda grasp based on experience with lawn care. So anyway, tell us more about how folks in the country are living based on your obvious deep personal experience...