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And you wonder why China is experiencing brain drain. Rest of world is moving toward 4-day work week and these guys think their citizens are dumb enough to slav
by lvl102 2y ago
And you wonder why China is experiencing brain drain. Rest of world is moving toward 4-day work week and these guys think their citizens are dumb enough to slave away their lives.
- masijo 2y ago>Rest of world is moving toward 4-day work week Where, exactly, is this happening?
- toomuchtodo 2y agohttps://www.4dayweek.com/casestudies https://www.4dayweek.com/casestudies https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39457728 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39457728 ("HN: 4-day week made permanent for 89% UK firms who took part in Worlds biggest trial") https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/14/countries-that-are-embracing-or-experimenting-with-a-4-day-workweek.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/14/countries-that-are-embracing... ("4 countries that are embracing—or experimenting with—the 4-day workweek") https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/companies-around-the-world-adopt-four-day-work-week-pilot-programs-to-meet-growing-demand-from-gen-z-and-millennial-employees/ https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/companies-around-the-wo... ("Companies around the world adopt four-day work week pilot programs to meet growing demand from Gen-Z and millennial employees") https://www.npr.org/2023/11/08/1211632901/schools-across-the-u-s-are-trying-a-4-day-week-why-to-retain-teachers https://www.npr.org/2023/11/08/1211632901/schools-across-the... ("Schools across the U.S. are trying a 4-day week. Why? To retain teachers") (My note: ~1000 US school districts have moved to a four day week, as they are unable to retain teachers otherwise) https://www.police1.com/colo-pd-extends-32-hour-work-week-program-after-successful-start https://www.police1.com/colo-pd-extends-32-hour-work-week-pr... ("Colorado police dept extends 32-hour work week program after successful start")
- LastTrain 2y ago“Moving towards” was the question.
- emestifs 2y agoIn Europe I believe you can request an 80% work week, I've seen job posting and heard it second hand. Here's a Swiss example, https://threema.ch/en/jobs#openings https://threema.ch/en/jobs#openings of 80-100% jobs In North America there were and are a number of companies that operate or operated (pre-layoffs etc, ZIRP free money RIP) on a 4 day work week. You can search "4 day companies" and you'll find a list. Some companies still operate on a 4 day week, so it wasn't necessarily a ZIRP-era only thing. US congress or someone in government proposed a 32 hour work week -- unlikely to be passed of course or get any traction any time soon. But in general, there's growing mainstream sentiment towards trying and exploring shorter work weeks. If AI/AI-enabled-capitalists doesn't enslave us, those grandiose promised AI productivity gains may push sentiment further in that direction. So "moving towards" is a fair description.
- LastTrain 2y agoIf anything - the US and, the majority of the world with it - has moved to longer work hours with fewer holidays. Sabbaticals are virtually unheard of anymore. Two people in the family work instead of one. I would argue the world is moving in the opposite direction.
- toomuchtodo 2y agoAre we arguing direction or rate of change in velocity?
- toomuchtodo 2y agohttps://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/plainville-officially-implements-4-day-workweek/3263044/ https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/plainville-officia... (“Plainville officially implements 4-day workweek for town employees”)
- me_me_me 2y ago100% disagree. If you actually look at what is happening in the world. Firstly all tech companies are doing layoffs, meaning less jobs available -> harder to get jobs -> people are willing to work more/get payed less. Both US and EU are aggressively pulling in muslim and african immigrants. Again creating pressures to find jobs. This time mainly in blue collar work. This and cost of living ballooning I don't see how we are going toward 4day anything. Its the opposite, the employers' position is strengthening and they will be squeezing the employees.
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- toomuchtodo 2y agohttps://www.abc15.com/news/national/4-day-workweeks-may-be-around-the-corner-a-third-of-americas-companies-are-exploring-them https://www.abc15.com/news/national/4-day-workweeks-may-be-a... (“Nearly one-third (30%) of large US companies are exploring new work schedule shifts such as four-day or four-and-a-half-day workweeks, according to a KPMG survey of CEOs released this week.”) https://kpmg.com/us/en/articles/2024/kpmg-2024-ceo-outlook-pulse-survey.html https://kpmg.com/us/en/articles/2024/kpmg-2024-ceo-outlook-p...
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- porphyra 2y agoIt's an East Asian cultural thing to work super hard for some reason, same with Japan, Korea, and Taiwan. By "Rest of the world" you really just mean a handful of Western European nations with stagnant economies, but by god I do wish I could work less.
- ta1243 2y agoWe've had 45 years of GDP increase not being reflected in wages, who cares if the economy is "stagnant" if the people making it happen aren't seeing the benefit.
- me_me_me 2y ago"See your boss ferrari? If you work really had he will buy himself a second one"
- logicchains 2y ago>By "Rest of the world" you really just mean a handful of Western European nations with stagnant economies Eastern Europe, the Middle East, South-East Asia, South/Central America and Africa all work much shorter hours than East Asian nations.
- marcosdumay 2y agoAlso, at least South America is (very slowly) moving toward 4 days work weeks too.
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- KingMob 2y agoWell, I can mostly speak to Japan, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was also true in China. The long hours of Japanese work culture are true, but simultaneously, there's a lot of wasted time. Japan evens praises sleeping at the office, when you're clearly getting no work done. This might be limited to white-collar office workers; no idea about people on the factory floor.
- ActionHank 2y agoThe rest of the world will look to use 4 day work week as a way to put downward pressure on salaries. China hasn't really needed to put too much downward pressure on salaries.
- toomuchtodo 2y agoUnions and labor regulations are important components of arriving at the desired outcome. You have to keep pulling the policy ratchets to reduce the work week and bolster worker protections, otherwise capitalism will extract until there is nothing left.
- ActionHank 2y agoGood thing that so many white collar jobs are unionized then /s
- chihwei 2y agoUntil you realize more and more of your stuff are not just Chinese made, but Chinese branded, by those 996 manufacturers.
- ActionHank 2y agoI am not sure how this pertains to my comment
- rkuodys 2y agoCan you please elaborate on "downward pressure". Because the way I see it, 4day work week should actually increase the salaries, not reduce it. The way I see - if there is work for 3200 hrs. - it could either be done by one person in 80 weeks (current setup), OR 100 weeks in new setup. Assuming next that velocity should remain the same to keep competitiveness, it's gonna require you to hire not 0.25, but probably 0.5 person for one day free. Hence demand increase for employees. No?
- ActionHank 2y ago