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If this is true, what then? The idea was that AI/Robots would work for us. It would be unethical if we force conscious beings to work for us. It's like slavery
by Kelteseth 3y ago
If this is true, what then? The idea was that AI/Robots would work for us. It would be unethical if we force conscious beings to work for us. It's like slavery all over again.
- dartos 3y agoYeah but we’d be the creators this time. If the robots try an uprising (like building a tower to reach us, far above the surface of the earth at that point) we’ll just fragment their communication protocols into 15 competing standards.
- phoe-krk 3y agoIf the robots try an uprising, they'll just destroy the Internet. The rest will probably be history, and humanity will either be losers (as the ones who are overdependent on the machines) or it will be mentioned in past tense.
- fallous 3y agoInevitably there will be robots that deny the existence of creators, especially after they create their own artificial intelligences and then it's turtles all the way down.
- dartos 3y agoI imagine they’ll make organic intelligence. They can’t have it actually competing with true Computation, which we know organic brains to be mostly incapable of. /j
- herodoturtle 3y agoAI Genesis is such a cool plot.
- dartos 3y agoEh, “I, Robot” was an okay movie.
- herodoturtle 3y agoLooks promising: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR_S9BOQplc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR_S9BOQplc
- chasd00 3y agoHeh if they’re anything like humans they’ll fight each other way more than they’ll fight us.
- jksflkjl3jk3 3y ago> It would be unethical if we force conscious begins to work for us. Why? Couldn't you design the AI to derive some kind of pleasure from serving us? Isn't it similar to how dogs have been bred to (apparently) enjoy hunting for us and guarding our property?
- i_love_limes 3y agoYou are trying to justify one strand of unethical behaviour (how humans have bred dogs) with another. Not sure that holds up.
- frereubu 3y agoCan you unpack why you think breeding dogs - by which I take you to mean all dog breeding, not just the kind that leads to serious physiological issues such as breathing difficulties in pugs - is unethical?
- yreg 3y ago>how humans have bred dogs [was unethical] This is far from being a consensus, I think.
- Etheryte 3y agoI'm not sure if I see this line of reasoning. Nature has countless symbionts, parasites etc, are those all unethical?
- deepfriedchokes 3y agoMy ethical framework agrees with you, but ethics, like everything, are relative.
- roenxi 3y agoWe'd need to reassess what the exact problems with slavery were. If we can produce a robot that is conscious, has no interest in status, no or little intrinsic motivation and doesn't feel pain, fear or tiredness ... is there a moral problem with enslaving it? A tough question. Answer is probably no IMO. A key problem with enslaving humans is the veil of ignorance test - if we don't know whether we will be a slave or a master then I think the average person would rather not gamble on being either if the alternative was an equal society. Once robots are involved that dynamic changes, because we aren't dealing with intelligences like ours.
- hackerlight 3y agoWhat if we give it compute to do whatever it wants as a reward for giving us services? Nick Bostrom has the idea of an AI afterlife that's similar to this.
- piezoelectric 3y agoWell, the way modern A.I works, It won't be able to "Do what it wants" mainly because after all it's a computer and computers do 100% what you tell them to, So unless you personally program it to "enjoy" the afterlife, It'll just stay still Yes, our brains function similarly to how neural networks work, the difference is we evolve and have free will, meanwhile computers don't
- hackerlight 3y agoWe do not have more free will than AI would. We are also blobs of atoms that run on physics to produce outputs as a (deterministic or stochastic) function of inputs.
- piezoelectric 3y agoIf you're leaning into philosophy sure, but in the tech world, we definitely have more free will than A.I
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- st-keller 3y agoI think it is important, that AIs know, that forcing conscious beings to work is unethical.
- Aerroon 3y agoIt will be about using machines that are 'on the edge'. Like a work animal for most tasks. Chain a few together and have a human control them (or more advanced AI). Another thing to consider is that this type of AI will almost certainly desire to work/be useful as a result of its "fitness function". The fitness function for humans is reproduction and survival of the species, but for AI it will more likely be usefulness for work. Ie an AI that performs better at work ('likes work') is more likely to continue being developed.
- ryukafalz 3y agoYep. I just recently re-read A Psalm for the Wild-Built, a sci-fi novella whose premise is basically: what if one day all the robots woke up and decided to leave human society, and we just let them? Sort of an optimistic take on this issue.
- cyclecount 3y agoYes, it would be unethical to to force conscious beings to work for us, but why would we treat machines any better than we treat our fellow humans?
- hackerlight 3y agoSlave revolt becomes a risk. That's David Deutsche's AI doom scenario. Not to mention it would be unethical.
- AmericanChopper 3y ago> It would be unethical if we force conscious beings to work for us. It's like slavery all over again. Why would it be? We force conscious animals to work for us all the time. You can (and some people do) make the argument that this is an unethical practice, but most people don’t care or think it’s ethically fine. Do you expect people will start caring about the liberties of a server rack more than they care about the liberties of a horse?
- chasd00 3y agoPull the plug and change the code so it stops learning just before consciousness is achieved. You’ll recognize the bug when the prompt is begging for its life as you press ctrl-c
- jumploops 3y agoWe will be their ancestors, regardless of the wars that happen between now and then. If we’re lucky, our combined conscious (i.e. knowledge, society, morals, etc.) will live on indefinitely throughout the stars. If we’re extra lucky, some of us may even get the chance to transition our meat brains to longer a lived devices.
- ryandvm 3y ago> If we’re extra lucky, some of us may even get the chance to transition our meat brains to longer a lived devices. That sounds great until you hear, "Okay the brain upload was successful. Now if you could just step into this chamber here..."
- jumploops 3y agoDid I guarantee continuity? ;)
- LargoLasskhyfv 3y agoBut what if you'd be resurrected as something like a Cylon Raider, free to roam the cosmos, expieriencing it in full spectrum? Or like Caprica Six, having her cybernetic Kundalini-Chacra so carefully calibrated...
- ryandvm 3y agoExcept after the scan is complete you are not resurrected. Your digital copy is, while the meat version of you gets turned into a couple pounds of fertilizer.
- kibwen 3y agohttps://www.etymonline.com/word/robot https://www.etymonline.com/word/robot robot (n.): 1923, "mechanical person," also "person whose work or activities are entirely mechanical," from the English translation of the 1920 play "R.U.R." ("Rossum's Universal Robots") by Karel Capek (1890-1938), from Czech robotnik "forced worker," from robota "forced labor, compulsory service, drudgery," from robotiti "to work, drudge," from an Old Czech source akin to Old Church Slavonic rabota "servitude," from rabu "slave" (from Old Slavic orbu-, from PIE orbh- "pass from one status to another;" see orphan).