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It's unclear if you are being sarcastic or not. Apple adopted USB C on their phones because the EU compelled them to. They tend to oppose standards they aren

It's unclear if you are being sarcastic or not. Apple adopted USB C on their phones because the EU compelled them to. They tend to oppose standards they aren't already using.

MBCook 2y ago
Bull. That’s why I put the comment in parentheses. They had already switched their laptops to all USB-C many years ago. And iPad Pros. I think the iPad Air and iPad (no name) switched as well. There were also strong rumblings Apple was going to release the USB-C iPhones when the rule was passed. > They tend to oppose standards they aren't already using. You’re kidding right? Then explain USB. Or Thunderbolt. Of every other thing I listed above. Apple didn’t invent any of them and open them. They were all existing standards.
- lxgr 2y ago
  So you're saying that's what they wanted to do all along, it just took them almost ten years, and it just happened to neatly coincide with the EU regulation as well? Sure, and they're now allowing game streaming apps and retro emulators on iOS because that's what they always knew was best for the world anyway. What a coincidence (with the DMA, in that case)! > Apple didn’t invent any of them and open them. They were all existing standards. Counterpoint: Magsafe. They had USB-C and went back to something proprietary. Another counterpoint: Thunderbolt wasn't an open standard until very recently, and I can only imagine that Intel gave Apple some heavy discounts on the controller chips used (or even their main CPUs) to push the standard. Apple doesn't always hate standards and interoperability, but they will absolutely try to push their proprietary protocols and interfaces whenever it's in their business interest.
  - MBCook 2y ago
    USB-C didn’t exist when they went to Lightning, it wasn’t an option. The fact all their other products were moving seems to indicate they’d move to USB-C on the iPhone as well. Rumors had them working on it for years. Now maybe it would have come out this year and not last. MagSafe: they added something back. You can still charge with USB-C. Works fine, I do it. Thunderbolt: that wasn’t Apple. Intel invented it and Apple put it to use. I have no idea if it’s open or closed, that’s my fault. What I meant was it wasn’t an Apple invention. Besides, what else had that kind of bandwidth at the time in a cable? It’s not like there was some common better thing they shunned.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    > Counterpoint: Magsafe. They had USB-C and went back to something proprietary. They added MagSafe and still kept USB C charging. > So you're saying that's what they wanted to do all along, it just took them almost ten years, and it just happened to neatly coincide with the EU regulation as well? They had already starting to move iPads to USB C
    - lxgr 2y ago
      > They had already starting to move iPads to USB C Which they're explicitly selling as laptop alternatives, at least the Pro line. People were already connecting all kinds of things (audio interfaces, mice, ethernet adapters etc.) to iPads using the hilariously named lignting-to-USB-host "camera adapter", and all of that is just better over USB-C. On the iPhone, the vast majority of people only use the port for charging and maybe listening to music; the few additional iPhone sold to people that actually use them with external storage for ProRes cinematography probably pales in comparison to the lost revenue from MFI license fees.
      - scarface_74 2y ago
        When the camera adapter was first released, usb-c didn’t exist. And how much do you think Apple really made on MFI licenses as a percentage of revenue? It was a rounding error and many of the knocks off people bought from Amazon weren’t even licensed.
  - sunnybeetroot 2y ago
    They have both MagSafe and USB C now, and MagSafe is much better as a charging adapter anyway. Maybe a USB C MagSafe could be invented?
  - simondotau 2y ago
    Counter-counterpoint: When Apple introduced the Lightning connector in 2012, they described it as their connector "for the next decade".[0] Their switch from Lightning to USB-C on the iPhone came just over ten years after that announcement. Perhaps it was EU regulation, or perhaps it was Apple wanting to make good on a ten-year-old promise of connector continuity. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82dwZYw2M00&t=1571s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82dwZYw2M00&t=1571s
kiwijamo 2y ago
Excatly right. They switched to USB-C only on certain classes of devices and even then only over a incredibly long period of time when they could have moved all of their devices over to USB-C fairly quickly given their vertical integration advantages. It's interesting how my non-Apple ecosystem has me using USB-C across all devices across multiple manufacturrs but my Apple friends have multiple cables/chargers/etc to accomodate Apple's approach of using different standards across their own product lines. Thankfully EU has made this a thing of the past but if it wasn't for EU there'd be no change or it would have happened years from now.
- simondotau 2y ago
  Perhaps it was EU regulation, or perhaps it was Apple wanting to make good on a ten-year-old promise of connector continuity. When Apple introduced the Lightning connector in 2012, they described it as their iPhone connector "for the next decade".[0] Their switch from Lightning to USB-C on the iPhone came just over ten years after that. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82dwZYw2M00&t=1571s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82dwZYw2M00&t=1571s
  - MBCook 2y ago
    Boy did they ever get hell when they left the 30-pin connector. I could easily see them wanting to avoid that whole mess again. Honestly I am still blown away that the switch last year to USB-C was met with some positivity (often from tech people) and a bunch of ’meh’. I was expecting tons of screaming and “Apple’s making you buy all your cables again to juice their books!”

It's unclear if you are being sarcastic or not. Apple adopted USB C on their phones because the EU compelled them to. They tend to oppose standards they aren't already using.

MBCook 2y ago

Bull. That’s why I put the comment in parentheses. They had already switched their laptops to all USB-C many years ago. And iPad Pros. I think the iPad Air and iPad (no name) switched as well. There were also strong rumblings Apple was going to release the USB-C iPhones when the rule was passed. > They tend to oppose standards they aren't already using. You’re kidding right? Then explain USB. Or Thunderbolt. Of every other thing I listed above. Apple didn’t invent any of them and open them. They were all existing standards.

lxgr 2y ago
So you're saying that's what they wanted to do all along, it just took them almost ten years, and it just happened to neatly coincide with the EU regulation as well? Sure, and they're now allowing game streaming apps and retro emulators on iOS because that's what they always knew was best for the world anyway. What a coincidence (with the DMA, in that case)! > Apple didn’t invent any of them and open them. They were all existing standards. Counterpoint: Magsafe. They had USB-C and went back to something proprietary. Another counterpoint: Thunderbolt wasn't an open standard until very recently, and I can only imagine that Intel gave Apple some heavy discounts on the controller chips used (or even their main CPUs) to push the standard. Apple doesn't always hate standards and interoperability, but they will absolutely try to push their proprietary protocols and interfaces whenever it's in their business interest.
- MBCook 2y ago
  USB-C didn’t exist when they went to Lightning, it wasn’t an option. The fact all their other products were moving seems to indicate they’d move to USB-C on the iPhone as well. Rumors had them working on it for years. Now maybe it would have come out this year and not last. MagSafe: they added something back. You can still charge with USB-C. Works fine, I do it. Thunderbolt: that wasn’t Apple. Intel invented it and Apple put it to use. I have no idea if it’s open or closed, that’s my fault. What I meant was it wasn’t an Apple invention. Besides, what else had that kind of bandwidth at the time in a cable? It’s not like there was some common better thing they shunned.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  > Counterpoint: Magsafe. They had USB-C and went back to something proprietary. They added MagSafe and still kept USB C charging. > So you're saying that's what they wanted to do all along, it just took them almost ten years, and it just happened to neatly coincide with the EU regulation as well? They had already starting to move iPads to USB C
  - lxgr 2y ago
    > They had already starting to move iPads to USB C Which they're explicitly selling as laptop alternatives, at least the Pro line. People were already connecting all kinds of things (audio interfaces, mice, ethernet adapters etc.) to iPads using the hilariously named lignting-to-USB-host "camera adapter", and all of that is just better over USB-C. On the iPhone, the vast majority of people only use the port for charging and maybe listening to music; the few additional iPhone sold to people that actually use them with external storage for ProRes cinematography probably pales in comparison to the lost revenue from MFI license fees.
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      When the camera adapter was first released, usb-c didn’t exist. And how much do you think Apple really made on MFI licenses as a percentage of revenue? It was a rounding error and many of the knocks off people bought from Amazon weren’t even licensed.
- sunnybeetroot 2y ago
  They have both MagSafe and USB C now, and MagSafe is much better as a charging adapter anyway. Maybe a USB C MagSafe could be invented?
- simondotau 2y ago
  Counter-counterpoint: When Apple introduced the Lightning connector in 2012, they described it as their connector "for the next decade".[0] Their switch from Lightning to USB-C on the iPhone came just over ten years after that announcement. Perhaps it was EU regulation, or perhaps it was Apple wanting to make good on a ten-year-old promise of connector continuity. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82dwZYw2M00&t=1571s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82dwZYw2M00&t=1571s

kiwijamo 2y ago

Excatly right. They switched to USB-C only on certain classes of devices and even then only over a incredibly long period of time when they could have moved all of their devices over to USB-C fairly quickly given their vertical integration advantages. It's interesting how my non-Apple ecosystem has me using USB-C across all devices across multiple manufacturrs but my Apple friends have multiple cables/chargers/etc to accomodate Apple's approach of using different standards across their own product lines. Thankfully EU has made this a thing of the past but if it wasn't for EU there'd be no change or it would have happened years from now.

simondotau 2y ago
Perhaps it was EU regulation, or perhaps it was Apple wanting to make good on a ten-year-old promise of connector continuity. When Apple introduced the Lightning connector in 2012, they described it as their iPhone connector "for the next decade".[0] Their switch from Lightning to USB-C on the iPhone came just over ten years after that. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82dwZYw2M00&t=1571s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82dwZYw2M00&t=1571s
- MBCook 2y ago
  Boy did they ever get hell when they left the 30-pin connector. I could easily see them wanting to avoid that whole mess again. Honestly I am still blown away that the switch last year to USB-C was met with some positivity (often from tech people) and a bunch of ’meh’. I was expecting tons of screaming and “Apple’s making you buy all your cables again to juice their books!”