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Another Boeing incidence. There should be a statistics page somewhere where incidences are marked on some graph or chart showing engine manufacturers airplane m

Another Boeing incidence. There should be a statistics page somewhere where incidences are marked on some graph or chart showing engine manufacturers airplane manufacturers airlines etc. if any exist would like to see such a page.

KingOfCoders 3y ago
Do you know if the parts the flew away, are build by the engine manufacturer, are build by the engine manufacturer and attached/assembled by Boeing or are those coverings build and attached by Boeing (because every attachment for every plane is different, even for the same engine?)
- madaxe_again 3y ago
  It isn’t relevant - the final assembler is responsible for QC. If I build something, and I buy something from a third party to be part of it, I make sure that A) it isn’t defective B) it integrates robustly You can wave your hand at the supply chain all you want, but if you’re sticking your name on it, it’s yours.
  - chinathrow 3y ago
    The plane was built in 2015. This is not about building the engine doors, it's about who did not close them properly during last maintenance.
    - deleted 3y ago
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    - KingOfCoders 3y ago
      My laptop breaks down after 5 years. Is it about the manufacturer because they made a bad design that broke after some years, or me doing properly maintenance?
      - madaxe_again 3y ago
        I’m afraid you’ll need to contact shenzen resistor corporation #6552 as that’s the component that’s failed and they’re the responsible party.
  - ffgjgf1 3y ago
    Is this a brand new airplane or caused by some design flaw? Because if not everyone should probably be blaming the airline/maintenance company. Certainly not downplaying Boeing’s massive screwups but it just seems that every single incident that everyone just used ignore in past is now an international news story (but only if a Boeing plane is involved)
    - cschmatzler 3y ago
      Neither. It’s an error by whoever last did maintenance on the engine and didn’t latch the door properly, and the pilot doing the walk around missing that error. Not a Boeing issue whatsoever.
      - KingOfCoders 3y ago
        Except e.g. a bolt broke. And the bolt was either build by the engine manufacturer, by Boeing or installed during maintenance by the airline (or outsourcer).
  - constantcrying 3y ago
    >You can wave your hand at the supply chain all you want, but if you’re sticking your name on it, it’s yours. Definitely not true for airplane engines.
- CapcomGo 3y ago
  Ah yes if a Toyota crashes the first thing we do is look at Toyota.
BurnGpuBurn 3y ago
There's one specifically for Boeing: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/list-of-2024-boeing-plane-incidents-after-southwest-engine-part-falls-off/ar-BB1lf02t https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/list-of-2024-boeing-pla...
cschmatzler 3y ago
This is not related to Boeing at all. Engine covers not being closed properly is a relatively common (still rare in the grand scheme of things) incident and happens a lot more frequently on Airbus models to the point that Airbus modified the door latch.
- s_dev 3y ago
  This incident isn't related to Boeing .. at all ... but when Airbus do it (which you assure it happens more frequently) it's related to whom exactly, and why did Airbus fix it if it wasn't related to them (modified the door latch)?
  - cschmatzler 3y ago
    Whoever did not latch the door properly after doing maintenance checks. Which is either a mechanic at the airline itself or someone at a maintenance hub that is contracted by the airline. Not the job of the manufacturer whatsoever.
    - s_dev 3y ago
      So why did Airbus modify the door latch?
      - cschmatzler 3y ago
        They were required to by an airworthiness directive. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/06/29/2017-13409/airworthiness-directives-airbus-airplanes https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/06/29/2017-13...
      - pfannkuchen 3y ago
        To make the plane more user friendly?
    - AdamN 3y ago
      The point s_dev is trying to make is that the designer can (and should) design things so that the mechanic "doesn't have to think". Seems like Airbus has evolved their design accordingly.
voxadam 3y ago
I'm on record as not being a fan of the modern Boeing but in this case we're not seeing a structural failure in Boeing but rather a maintenance issue that can primarily be blamed on the carrier. I don't have a tail number so I can't tell you exactly when this airframe was delivered but seeing as it's a 737-800 that we're talking about it's been part of Southwest's fleet for some time now. Boeing absolutely has its issues but so does the airline industry, let's apportion blame correctly.
carrolldunham 3y ago
Incident, incidents.

KingOfCoders 3y ago

Do you know if the parts the flew away, are build by the engine manufacturer, are build by the engine manufacturer and attached/assembled by Boeing or are those coverings build and attached by Boeing (because every attachment for every plane is different, even for the same engine?)

madaxe_again 3y ago
It isn’t relevant - the final assembler is responsible for QC. If I build something, and I buy something from a third party to be part of it, I make sure that A) it isn’t defective B) it integrates robustly You can wave your hand at the supply chain all you want, but if you’re sticking your name on it, it’s yours.
- chinathrow 3y ago
  The plane was built in 2015. This is not about building the engine doors, it's about who did not close them properly during last maintenance.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - KingOfCoders 3y ago
    My laptop breaks down after 5 years. Is it about the manufacturer because they made a bad design that broke after some years, or me doing properly maintenance?
    - madaxe_again 3y ago
      I’m afraid you’ll need to contact shenzen resistor corporation #6552 as that’s the component that’s failed and they’re the responsible party.
- ffgjgf1 3y ago
  Is this a brand new airplane or caused by some design flaw? Because if not everyone should probably be blaming the airline/maintenance company. Certainly not downplaying Boeing’s massive screwups but it just seems that every single incident that everyone just used ignore in past is now an international news story (but only if a Boeing plane is involved)
  - cschmatzler 3y ago
    Neither. It’s an error by whoever last did maintenance on the engine and didn’t latch the door properly, and the pilot doing the walk around missing that error. Not a Boeing issue whatsoever.
    - KingOfCoders 3y ago
      Except e.g. a bolt broke. And the bolt was either build by the engine manufacturer, by Boeing or installed during maintenance by the airline (or outsourcer).
- constantcrying 3y ago
  >You can wave your hand at the supply chain all you want, but if you’re sticking your name on it, it’s yours. Definitely not true for airplane engines.
CapcomGo 3y ago
Ah yes if a Toyota crashes the first thing we do is look at Toyota.

BurnGpuBurn 3y ago

There's one specifically for Boeing: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/list-of-2024-boeing-plane-incidents-after-southwest-engine-part-falls-off/ar-BB1lf02t https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/list-of-2024-boeing-pla...

cschmatzler 3y ago

This is not related to Boeing at all. Engine covers not being closed properly is a relatively common (still rare in the grand scheme of things) incident and happens a lot more frequently on Airbus models to the point that Airbus modified the door latch.

s_dev 3y ago
This incident isn't related to Boeing .. at all ... but when Airbus do it (which you assure it happens more frequently) it's related to whom exactly, and why did Airbus fix it if it wasn't related to them (modified the door latch)?
- cschmatzler 3y ago
  Whoever did not latch the door properly after doing maintenance checks. Which is either a mechanic at the airline itself or someone at a maintenance hub that is contracted by the airline. Not the job of the manufacturer whatsoever.
  - s_dev 3y ago
    So why did Airbus modify the door latch?
    - cschmatzler 3y ago
      They were required to by an airworthiness directive. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/06/29/2017-13409/airworthiness-directives-airbus-airplanes https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/06/29/2017-13...
    - pfannkuchen 3y ago
      To make the plane more user friendly?
  - AdamN 3y ago
    The point s_dev is trying to make is that the designer can (and should) design things so that the mechanic "doesn't have to think". Seems like Airbus has evolved their design accordingly.

voxadam 3y ago

I'm on record as not being a fan of the modern Boeing but in this case we're not seeing a structural failure in Boeing but rather a maintenance issue that can primarily be blamed on the carrier. I don't have a tail number so I can't tell you exactly when this airframe was delivered but seeing as it's a 737-800 that we're talking about it's been part of Southwest's fleet for some time now. Boeing absolutely has its issues but so does the airline industry, let's apportion blame correctly.

carrolldunham 3y ago

Incident, incidents.