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The damage is already done, no european corporation is going to rip out Teams because they’re so used to the crap. This should’ve been decoupled when everyone

The damage is already done, no european corporation is going to rip out Teams because they’re so used to the crap. This should’ve been decoupled when everyone went looking for a chat platform, not in 2024. I’ve worked in many places where no employee had ever opened Slack and they don’t get why Teams is shit. As of this week the “new” version of Teams takes 14 seconds to open from click to usable on my M2 Ultra Mac Studio…

realusername 3y ago
If I'd be Microsoft, I would have added a zero to this standalone price, people using team aren't using it for quality or price anyways but because of corporate compliance and will indeed continue to do so.
happymellon 3y ago
I can't even resize the window on New Teams and have the text reflow nicely on my Mac without massive lag. I could resize web pages nicely 2 decades ago. What on earth is it doing that so special where it can't resize a window?
- redrove 3y ago
  > What on earth is it doing that so special where it can't resize a window? They’re probably truly Agile! /s
- doubled112 3y ago
  Perhaps the resize operation is sending the window size back as telemetry so they can optimize for the most common. But it is broken and sends every pixel worth of change.
  - f001 3y ago
    Telemetry shouldn’t be a blocking call on ui though.
    - jinushaun 3y ago
      You would assume that…
    - doubled112 3y ago
      Just because something shouldn’t doesn’t mean it can’t. Or doesn’t.
- TeaBrain 3y ago
  I've also experienced this on windows. I don't understand how the new version of teams, which Microsoft was pushing so hard for people to move to from "classic" teams, could be so much less usable. The "classic" version was usable and I experienced few issues, never close to the extent of issues that teams was often maligned as having, but this new version is a clear step backward in functionality.
  - happymellon 3y ago
    Who ever got promoted for improving a product, compared to a rewrite which is slightly worse? Although I would say that Classic Teams has always been terrible. Pasting in text and the formatting usually ended up getting completed destroyed. I have heard this was due to someone in the Teams group pushing for RTF formatting, and most formatting that's pasted in wasn't RTF.
pjmlp 3y ago
Thankfully at my current job, Teams is only allowed when it is requested by customers, and via the Web client, nothing else.
ta1243 3y ago
Our org used zoom heavily during covid, like everyone else We've now got rid of zoom because teams is included for free. Fortunately nobody is threatening to get rid of slack any time soon. It's classic microsoft behaviour that they've been found guilty of for decades, alas governments take longer to move than microsoft do.
ThePowerOfFuet 3y ago
This is exactly the point.
prng2021 3y ago
You're entirely missing the point. You could easily say the damage is already done even if Apple eventually gets forced to stop making Google search their default search engine on iOS. The reality is that bundling software matters way more than you realize. Google has paid an estimated tens of billions a year to Apple to maintain the default search engine setting. That's despite their massive market share lead over competitors. At minimum, this ruling will make future competitors believe it's more feasible to be successful in creating a competitor to Teams. There will be some similarities to the way Firefox and Chrome eventually competed after the Microsoft antitrust case regarding Internet Explorer in the early 2000s. And finally, when current Microsoft licenses expire or MS sales teams get into talks with future, net new companies, they will not simply be able to say Teams comes for free as part of their other licenses.
- redrove 3y ago
  I'm not saying it's bad, but as usual with legislation it's too little and too late.

realusername 3y ago

If I'd be Microsoft, I would have added a zero to this standalone price, people using team aren't using it for quality or price anyways but because of corporate compliance and will indeed continue to do so.

happymellon 3y ago

I can't even resize the window on New Teams and have the text reflow nicely on my Mac without massive lag. I could resize web pages nicely 2 decades ago. What on earth is it doing that so special where it can't resize a window?

redrove 3y ago
> What on earth is it doing that so special where it can't resize a window? They’re probably truly Agile! /s
doubled112 3y ago
Perhaps the resize operation is sending the window size back as telemetry so they can optimize for the most common. But it is broken and sends every pixel worth of change.
- f001 3y ago
  Telemetry shouldn’t be a blocking call on ui though.
  - jinushaun 3y ago
    You would assume that…
  - doubled112 3y ago
    Just because something shouldn’t doesn’t mean it can’t. Or doesn’t.
TeaBrain 3y ago
I've also experienced this on windows. I don't understand how the new version of teams, which Microsoft was pushing so hard for people to move to from "classic" teams, could be so much less usable. The "classic" version was usable and I experienced few issues, never close to the extent of issues that teams was often maligned as having, but this new version is a clear step backward in functionality.
- happymellon 3y ago
  Who ever got promoted for improving a product, compared to a rewrite which is slightly worse? Although I would say that Classic Teams has always been terrible. Pasting in text and the formatting usually ended up getting completed destroyed. I have heard this was due to someone in the Teams group pushing for RTF formatting, and most formatting that's pasted in wasn't RTF.

pjmlp 3y ago

Thankfully at my current job, Teams is only allowed when it is requested by customers, and via the Web client, nothing else.

ta1243 3y ago

Our org used zoom heavily during covid, like everyone else We've now got rid of zoom because teams is included for free. Fortunately nobody is threatening to get rid of slack any time soon. It's classic microsoft behaviour that they've been found guilty of for decades, alas governments take longer to move than microsoft do.

ThePowerOfFuet 3y ago

This is exactly the point.

prng2021 3y ago

You're entirely missing the point. You could easily say the damage is already done even if Apple eventually gets forced to stop making Google search their default search engine on iOS. The reality is that bundling software matters way more than you realize. Google has paid an estimated tens of billions a year to Apple to maintain the default search engine setting. That's despite their massive market share lead over competitors. At minimum, this ruling will make future competitors believe it's more feasible to be successful in creating a competitor to Teams. There will be some similarities to the way Firefox and Chrome eventually competed after the Microsoft antitrust case regarding Internet Explorer in the early 2000s. And finally, when current Microsoft licenses expire or MS sales teams get into talks with future, net new companies, they will not simply be able to say Teams comes for free as part of their other licenses.

redrove 3y ago
I'm not saying it's bad, but as usual with legislation it's too little and too late.