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...why even bother with essays at all then. This is some kind of insane "they pretend to pay us, we pretend to work" setup that benefits nobody.

zamfi 3y ago
> benefits nobody That would be the point. Why bother at all?
- ethbr1 3y ago
  Because brain development happens under external stress, and absent that people stay dumb.
  - skeledrew 3y ago
    Source?
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acchow 3y ago
Students shouldn’t be turning in essays. They should turn in the chat history with an LLM. We need to go beyond just putting your own thoughts into words but instead guiding students on how to explore and hone their own thoughts with AI. If they come up with metprocesses to game this, that’s a win.
- Joker_vD 3y ago
  They'd just ask ChatGPT to invent a suitably profound prompt history, and that's it?
- joe_the_user 3y ago
  The situation is that school want to teach people to write, a difficult skill. But the problem is being a bureaucracy schools actually operate by "turn in two shitty half-assed essays every semester and eventually we hope you'll learn". And now chatGpt can duplicate that and there's no real skill involved in getting it to do that and neither do they "explore and hone their own thoughts" in this process, mostly you can just an assignment to ChatGpt.
  - skeledrew 3y ago
    I feel like we should be doing again an analysis from first principles, determining the purpose behind having students learn X, and determine how useful it is given today's context. If AI can do X well enough, then students should really be taught how to use it to do X for them. Or perhaps there isn't even a need for X at all anymore; just a nice-to-know.
moffkalast 3y ago
> "they pretend to pay us, we pretend to work" setup that benefits nobody It benefits the existing social structures, so they don't actually have to change with the times but can remain in a half-assed patched state that barely holds on because nobody wants to deal with the full rewrite.
johnchristopher 3y ago
It's a process. Maybe it'll stick as a ritual.

zamfi 3y ago

> benefits nobody That would be the point. Why bother at all?

ethbr1 3y ago
Because brain development happens under external stress, and absent that people stay dumb.
- skeledrew 3y ago
  Source?

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acchow 3y ago

Students shouldn’t be turning in essays. They should turn in the chat history with an LLM. We need to go beyond just putting your own thoughts into words but instead guiding students on how to explore and hone their own thoughts with AI. If they come up with metprocesses to game this, that’s a win.

Joker_vD 3y ago
They'd just ask ChatGPT to invent a suitably profound prompt history, and that's it?
joe_the_user 3y ago
The situation is that school want to teach people to write, a difficult skill. But the problem is being a bureaucracy schools actually operate by "turn in two shitty half-assed essays every semester and eventually we hope you'll learn". And now chatGpt can duplicate that and there's no real skill involved in getting it to do that and neither do they "explore and hone their own thoughts" in this process, mostly you can just an assignment to ChatGpt.
- skeledrew 3y ago
  I feel like we should be doing again an analysis from first principles, determining the purpose behind having students learn X, and determine how useful it is given today's context. If AI can do X well enough, then students should really be taught how to use it to do X for them. Or perhaps there isn't even a need for X at all anymore; just a nice-to-know.

moffkalast 3y ago

> "they pretend to pay us, we pretend to work" setup that benefits nobody It benefits the existing social structures, so they don't actually have to change with the times but can remain in a half-assed patched state that barely holds on because nobody wants to deal with the full rewrite.

johnchristopher 3y ago

It's a process. Maybe it'll stick as a ritual.