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I've built my career on Apple platforms and honestly this is basically what people have said about it since the beginning. I'll offer a counter and say that if

by gdubs 3y ago

I've built my career on Apple platforms and honestly this is basically what people have said about it since the beginning. I'll offer a counter and say that if you like the Apple ecosystem, there's never been a better time to get started. SwiftUI is an amazingly great way to build apps – and again, I've been doing this for a very long time so I'm speaking from experience here. For smaller developers, the revenue share can be as low as 15%. Also, for anyone weighing the decision keep in mind that while iOS may not represent the largest marketshare in the world, their users are well known to spend more money on the platform compared to other platforms.

_factor 3y ago
“As low as 15%” Great! That’s so much cheaper than the 0% you can get on other platforms. This used to be acceptable when Apple was innovating and providing extra value, today it doesn’t fly.
- frizlab 3y ago
  You’re really delusional if you think you can get 0% on any platform ever…
  - _factor 3y ago
    Let’s do a test. Write a hello world application and make a subscription for it for $1/mo. Publish it in git and offer it on the web, Windows, iOS and Android. Beyond your time investment, which platforms costs more than $0?
    - frizlab 3y ago
      All of them.
      - _factor 3y ago
        I think you’re mistaken in regards to Apple. https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/01/17/apples-decision-to-charge-27-commission-on-external-payments-draws-criticism/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/01/17/apples-...
        frizlab 3y ago
        First iOS support 2 platforms since iOS 2: the web and the App Store. You deploy for the web, you deploy for iOS. (Direct quotes from a WWDC.) Now assuming you’re talking about the App Store I don’t get your point anyway. For all platforms you’re gonna have to pay something at some point so all of them cost more than 0$.
        _factor 3y ago
        And how many features are unavailable for the web? It’s not apples to apples. The point is that you don’t need to pay if you’re hosting a github pages pwa. The backend costs are shared. There’s a reason Apple got into the credit card business, the extra a fee for every transaction model has been their core for a very long time, it was natural.
- _mlbt 3y ago
  What other platforms provide what Apple provides at 0%? As a hobbyist I love having international commerce largely papered over and abstracted away. There’s no need to worry about exchange rates, taxes, hosting, or bandwidth. This is well worth the 15% to me.
mistersquid 3y ago
> I've built my career on Apple platforms and honestly this is basically what people have said about it since the beginning. Do you have recommendations for learning Objective-C for a front-end web developer? I'm starting with "Objective-C Programming: The Big Nerd Ranch Guide" but would appreciate resources recommended by someone who's built a "career on Apple platforms". My apologies for so open-ended a question.
- _mlbt 3y ago
  Is there a reason you want to learn Objective-C instead of Swift? My advice would be to swim with the current and choose Swift and SwiftUI unless you have a good reason not to. Some of the newer frameworks don’t support Objective-C and I only see that trend continuing.
  - mistersquid 3y ago
    > Is there a reason you want to learn Objective-C instead of Swift? My goal is to write native software for macOS, which I understand to be more amenable to Objective-C. I am also interested in Swift but want to focus on Objective-C for my first projects.
  - ngcc_hk 3y ago
    Is swiftUI is still quite a flux state? And not can be done by it?
    - _mlbt 3y ago
      I haven’t had any issues with it or needed to revert to UiKit, but I’m still fairly new to developing for the Apple ecosystem, so your mileage may vary.
- gdubs 3y ago
  Hmm, well – Objective-C holds a place in my heart. It's not for everyone, but it's really where I got my start and I think it's a beautiful language and had an incredibly unique community around it that started with all the NeXT folks. I'd be curious why Objective-C now? Still has its place for some things. It's interoperability with C++ for instance, especially if you're dealing with things like Metal or certain real time audio libraries. It's also probably a niche in terms of maintaining legacy stuff. Like being a Fortran developer and having your pick of contracts because nobody remembers it anymore and some crucial piece of infra relies on it. But, Big Nerd Ranch guid is how I learned! And again, by doing projects. Just pick something you want to build with it and see it through to the end. Like writing, it's best to plough through and just get SOMETHING that works end to end, knowing that it'll be your first draft and you'll get it better on the second Tim around. Good luck!

by gdubs 3y ago

_factor 3y ago

“As low as 15%” Great! That’s so much cheaper than the 0% you can get on other platforms. This used to be acceptable when Apple was innovating and providing extra value, today it doesn’t fly.

frizlab 3y ago
You’re really delusional if you think you can get 0% on any platform ever…
- _factor 3y ago
  Let’s do a test. Write a hello world application and make a subscription for it for $1/mo. Publish it in git and offer it on the web, Windows, iOS and Android. Beyond your time investment, which platforms costs more than $0?
  - frizlab 3y ago
    All of them.
    - _factor 3y ago
      I think you’re mistaken in regards to Apple. https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/01/17/apples-decision-to-charge-27-commission-on-external-payments-draws-criticism/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/01/17/apples-...
      - frizlab 3y ago
        First iOS support 2 platforms since iOS 2: the web and the App Store. You deploy for the web, you deploy for iOS. (Direct quotes from a WWDC.) Now assuming you’re talking about the App Store I don’t get your point anyway. For all platforms you’re gonna have to pay something at some point so all of them cost more than 0$.
        _factor 3y ago
        And how many features are unavailable for the web? It’s not apples to apples. The point is that you don’t need to pay if you’re hosting a github pages pwa. The backend costs are shared. There’s a reason Apple got into the credit card business, the extra a fee for every transaction model has been their core for a very long time, it was natural.
_mlbt 3y ago
What other platforms provide what Apple provides at 0%? As a hobbyist I love having international commerce largely papered over and abstracted away. There’s no need to worry about exchange rates, taxes, hosting, or bandwidth. This is well worth the 15% to me.

mistersquid 3y ago

> I've built my career on Apple platforms and honestly this is basically what people have said about it since the beginning. Do you have recommendations for learning Objective-C for a front-end web developer? I'm starting with "Objective-C Programming: The Big Nerd Ranch Guide" but would appreciate resources recommended by someone who's built a "career on Apple platforms". My apologies for so open-ended a question.

_mlbt 3y ago
Is there a reason you want to learn Objective-C instead of Swift? My advice would be to swim with the current and choose Swift and SwiftUI unless you have a good reason not to. Some of the newer frameworks don’t support Objective-C and I only see that trend continuing.
- mistersquid 3y ago
  > Is there a reason you want to learn Objective-C instead of Swift? My goal is to write native software for macOS, which I understand to be more amenable to Objective-C. I am also interested in Swift but want to focus on Objective-C for my first projects.
- ngcc_hk 3y ago
  Is swiftUI is still quite a flux state? And not can be done by it?
  - _mlbt 3y ago
    I haven’t had any issues with it or needed to revert to UiKit, but I’m still fairly new to developing for the Apple ecosystem, so your mileage may vary.
gdubs 3y ago
Hmm, well – Objective-C holds a place in my heart. It's not for everyone, but it's really where I got my start and I think it's a beautiful language and had an incredibly unique community around it that started with all the NeXT folks. I'd be curious why Objective-C now? Still has its place for some things. It's interoperability with C++ for instance, especially if you're dealing with things like Metal or certain real time audio libraries. It's also probably a niche in terms of maintaining legacy stuff. Like being a Fortran developer and having your pick of contracts because nobody remembers it anymore and some crucial piece of infra relies on it. But, Big Nerd Ranch guid is how I learned! And again, by doing projects. Just pick something you want to build with it and see it through to the end. Like writing, it's best to plough through and just get SOMETHING that works end to end, knowing that it'll be your first draft and you'll get it better on the second Tim around. Good luck!