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> Former Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro recently attempted a coup d'etat to overthrow Brazilian democracy. LOL if only he had had the balls to actually att

> Former Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro recently attempted a coup d'etat to overthrow Brazilian democracy. LOL if only he had had the balls to actually attempt it. Ran away to the US like the coward he is, allowed everybody who ever supported him to take the fall and still got arrested and persecuted by literal communists. It's actually pretty funny. There was no "coup". There was a protest. Identical to many others in the past, down to the "people all over the buildings" imagery. It was not the first time people have occupied the Brasília buildings and it certainly won't be the last. Just like this one for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Brazil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Brazil "High corruption in the government" indeed. The irony is palpable. > Don't trust internet influencers to know better than law professionals. I have actually met many law professionals. Always made sure to listen closely to everything they had to say. Truth is reality is actually even worse than whatever's being presented here. Sometimes they make the most innocuous sounding comments that nevertheless are reveal quite a lot about the brazilian status quo. Quite a few of the lawyers I've met were prone to expressing their frustration with the fact that "instead of interpreting the constitution, the supreme court judges decided to legislate instead". And those were the polite ones. They could get quite cynical about it. The helplessness permeates their speech like an incurable depression. The supreme court legislates. These judges got zero votes and yet they legislate. Nothing is done about it. Nothing can be done about it. Sometimes I wonder if they expected the supreme court to become the victims, the juries and the executioners too. I wonder if they were shocked at all when all this stuff went down. I wonder if they were shocked when they saw this judge approaching the actual legislators with "suggestions" in hand for the proposed censorship law, only to then ram it down people's throats by force of his "electoral court resolutions" after the law was rejected by the elected representatives of the brazilian people. This supreme court disease stretches back nearly a decade and that's just when I began to notice it. Wouldn't be surprised if it stretched back to the very creation of these institutions. > Let's imagine, hypothetically of course Yeah, let's help HN truly imagine how barbarous and uncivilized this country is. Tell me HN, how would you feel if some power tripping american judges somehow found a way to give themselves unlimited powers to "combat disinformation", only to immediately begin censoring their political enemies? How would you feel if these judges just started straight up censoring Trump and his campaign? And when Trump loses they proceed to go to conferences to publicly brag about how they personally abused their powers to defeat Trumpism? How would you feel if the supreme court judges whose literal job it is to interpret your constitution just took a big shit on it instead? And literally nothing was done about it? How disgusted would you feel? I really want to know. HN might not actually need to imagine it. Google did a little campaign against their "fake news" law which amounted to putting a small link on their home page. For that most grievous crime of "abuse of market power", these same judges censored the company. They ordered it to take it down or face totally arbitrary fines of about 200kUSD per hour until they took it down. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-02/brazil-judge-orders-google-ceo-to-testify-over-fake-news-bill https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-02/brazil-ju... https://archive.is/EdoqQ https://archive.is/EdoqQ Maybe someone here on HN caught wind of that. I don't know.

Pedro_Ribeiro 3y ago
Hey man I'm Portuguese but just wanted to say how fucked up what's happening in Brazil (Brasil) is. The worst part is how people are fine with it. If you go to r/Brasil you'll see endless mobs cheering the supreme court. What's the political situation like? Do most people agree with what's going on? Are they uninformed like in Portugal? Is it a loud internet minority thing?
- lobocinza 3y ago
  > Is it a loud internet minority thing? It's a loud internet minority thing. r/brasil is a bubble, the moderators censor anything that go against their narrative, what isn't censored is downvoted and if you manage to overcome that they will ban you at the first opportunity. > What's the political situation like? Do most people agree with what's going on? The absolute majority of people that I've met don't agree with what's going on and despise Lula, after all he was supposed to be in jail and not in power. The official narrative dominates the mainstream media and some bubbles that benefit from the establishment (e.g. government employees, elites) but the opposition permeates everything else. To have some numbers, compare Bolsonaro and Lula livestreams views. Bolsonaro is often an order of magnitude ahead of Lula. And there are many which despise both (e.g. Nando Moura). https://www.youtube.com/@jbolsonaro/streams https://www.youtube.com/@jbolsonaro/streams https://www.youtube.com/@LulaOficial/streams https://www.youtube.com/@LulaOficial/streams > Are they uninformed like in Portugal? People are misinformed rather than uninformed, the political spectrum was polarized and both sides are guilty of spreading lies.
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  > The worst part is how people are fine with it. If you go to r/Brasil you'll see endless mobs cheering the supreme court. Yeah it's disgusting, it seriously makes me sick. It's literally written in the constitution that censorship is illegal, especially that of a political nature. Yet the judge-kings censored their political enemies. And people cheered them on. They even made a public spectacle out of it. In other countries, they at least keep their corruption under wraps because they're afraid of the consequences. Here, they do it openly. They rub it in your face and dare you to do something about it. And people love it because the target is someone they don't like. They think the dictator is on their side. The portuguese are not immune from brazilian persecution unfortunately. Couple months ago the polícia federal detained a portuguese citizen and journalist who visited Brazil to cover Bolsonaro's latest public rally. Looks like brazilian police was keeping tabs on this guy due to incredibly illegal opinions such as "Brazil is a judiciary dictatorship". Apparently they think it's illegal for the portuguese to hold wrong opinions too. Maybe they'll go back home and ruin Brazil's stellar international reputation? https://g1.globo.com/sp/sao-paulo/noticia/2024/02/25/portugues-que-veio-ao-brasil-para-ato-de-bolsonaristas-em-sp-e-retido-em-aeroporto-pela-pf-e-liberado.ghtml https://g1.globo.com/sp/sao-paulo/noticia/2024/02/25/portugu... https://imirante.com/noticias/sao-luis/2024/02/25/ipolitica-prisao-de-jornalista-que-iria-cobrir-ato-pro-bolsonaro-repercute-internacionalmente https://imirante.com/noticias/sao-luis/2024/02/25/ipolitica-... > What's the political situation like? Suffice it to say my own parents who lived through an actual military dictatorship approached me and asked me to stop commenting on things online because they're afraid I might get arrested. I actually wonder if one day dang is gonna get some letter from the brazilian government because of my comments. > Do most people agree with what's going on? Are they uninformed like in Portugal? Is it a loud internet minority thing? Can't say for certain. Whatever I say will be colored by my horrible experiences trying to deal with all this stuff. HN is actually the only place where I feel free enough to speak my mind and even here I run into some incredibly misinformed people. I've had to explain to other brazilians here that Lula is a self-admitted communist. People think I'm trolling them or something. It borders on gaslighting.

Pedro_Ribeiro 3y ago

Hey man I'm Portuguese but just wanted to say how fucked up what's happening in Brazil (Brasil) is. The worst part is how people are fine with it. If you go to r/Brasil you'll see endless mobs cheering the supreme court. What's the political situation like? Do most people agree with what's going on? Are they uninformed like in Portugal? Is it a loud internet minority thing?

lobocinza 3y ago
> Is it a loud internet minority thing? It's a loud internet minority thing. r/brasil is a bubble, the moderators censor anything that go against their narrative, what isn't censored is downvoted and if you manage to overcome that they will ban you at the first opportunity. > What's the political situation like? Do most people agree with what's going on? The absolute majority of people that I've met don't agree with what's going on and despise Lula, after all he was supposed to be in jail and not in power. The official narrative dominates the mainstream media and some bubbles that benefit from the establishment (e.g. government employees, elites) but the opposition permeates everything else. To have some numbers, compare Bolsonaro and Lula livestreams views. Bolsonaro is often an order of magnitude ahead of Lula. And there are many which despise both (e.g. Nando Moura). https://www.youtube.com/@jbolsonaro/streams https://www.youtube.com/@jbolsonaro/streams https://www.youtube.com/@LulaOficial/streams https://www.youtube.com/@LulaOficial/streams > Are they uninformed like in Portugal? People are misinformed rather than uninformed, the political spectrum was polarized and both sides are guilty of spreading lies.
matheusmoreira 3y ago
> The worst part is how people are fine with it. If you go to r/Brasil you'll see endless mobs cheering the supreme court. Yeah it's disgusting, it seriously makes me sick. It's literally written in the constitution that censorship is illegal, especially that of a political nature. Yet the judge-kings censored their political enemies. And people cheered them on. They even made a public spectacle out of it. In other countries, they at least keep their corruption under wraps because they're afraid of the consequences. Here, they do it openly. They rub it in your face and dare you to do something about it. And people love it because the target is someone they don't like. They think the dictator is on their side. The portuguese are not immune from brazilian persecution unfortunately. Couple months ago the polícia federal detained a portuguese citizen and journalist who visited Brazil to cover Bolsonaro's latest public rally. Looks like brazilian police was keeping tabs on this guy due to incredibly illegal opinions such as "Brazil is a judiciary dictatorship". Apparently they think it's illegal for the portuguese to hold wrong opinions too. Maybe they'll go back home and ruin Brazil's stellar international reputation? https://g1.globo.com/sp/sao-paulo/noticia/2024/02/25/portugues-que-veio-ao-brasil-para-ato-de-bolsonaristas-em-sp-e-retido-em-aeroporto-pela-pf-e-liberado.ghtml https://g1.globo.com/sp/sao-paulo/noticia/2024/02/25/portugu... https://imirante.com/noticias/sao-luis/2024/02/25/ipolitica-prisao-de-jornalista-que-iria-cobrir-ato-pro-bolsonaro-repercute-internacionalmente https://imirante.com/noticias/sao-luis/2024/02/25/ipolitica-... > What's the political situation like? Suffice it to say my own parents who lived through an actual military dictatorship approached me and asked me to stop commenting on things online because they're afraid I might get arrested. I actually wonder if one day dang is gonna get some letter from the brazilian government because of my comments. > Do most people agree with what's going on? Are they uninformed like in Portugal? Is it a loud internet minority thing? Can't say for certain. Whatever I say will be colored by my horrible experiences trying to deal with all this stuff. HN is actually the only place where I feel free enough to speak my mind and even here I run into some incredibly misinformed people. I've had to explain to other brazilians here that Lula is a self-admitted communist. People think I'm trolling them or something. It borders on gaslighting.