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The best solution is to set this as opt-in instead.

by zakki 3y ago

amelius 3y ago
And not one with dark patterns where you are asked to opt-in multiple times at inconvenient moments.
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Clubber 3y ago
I haven't setup an iPhone in a while, but last time I setup a Mac, it asked me to configure Siri or Skip/Later, etc. That's opt in to me.
- layer8 3y ago
  From the article: “The user is given the option to enable or not enable Siri, Apple's virtual assistant. But enabling only refers to whether you use Siri's voice control. Siri collects data in the background from other apps you use, regardless of your choice, unless you understand how to go into the settings and specifically change that”.
  - Clubber 3y ago
    A concern with Siri is it sends your voice data to a server to parse. When Siri is disabled, what data is collected via third party apps? I would imagine any time you use voice as a command in an app the iPhone send the data to a server to parse, even in third party apps. Is that the concern, or is it other data?
    - layer8 3y ago
      "Siri" is not just the voice assistant, Apple also uses that designation for other "intelligent" features, like "Siri Suggestions" [0]. The related personal information is shared across devices via Apple servers. Apple states that any analytics shared with Apple are anonymized [1], but users may still prefer to not share analytics in the first place. However, that can't be opted out globally, it can only be disabled per app [0]. Except maybe by turning off Siri in iCloud [2]? It's not clear. That's the criticism, it's difficult for users to understand what settings are enabling or disabling what exactly. It's quite complicated overall, and difficult to tell what you are and aren't sharing. [0] https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/about-siri-suggestions-iph6f94af287 https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/about-siri-suggestion... [1] https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/siri-suggestions-search/ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/siri-suggestions... [2] https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/tell-siri-about-yourself-iphfaf30bdbd/17.0/ios/17.0#ipha9a0dd043 https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/tell-siri-about-yours...
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izacus 3y ago
Opt-in patterns are only for 3rd party apps, not for Apple themselves. One rules for me, others for thee.

The best solution is to set this as opt-in instead.

by zakki 3y ago

The best solution is to set this as opt-in instead.

amelius 3y ago

And not one with dark patterns where you are asked to opt-in multiple times at inconvenient moments.

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Clubber 3y ago

I haven't setup an iPhone in a while, but last time I setup a Mac, it asked me to configure Siri or Skip/Later, etc. That's opt in to me.

layer8 3y ago
From the article: “The user is given the option to enable or not enable Siri, Apple's virtual assistant. But enabling only refers to whether you use Siri's voice control. Siri collects data in the background from other apps you use, regardless of your choice, unless you understand how to go into the settings and specifically change that”.
- Clubber 3y ago
  A concern with Siri is it sends your voice data to a server to parse. When Siri is disabled, what data is collected via third party apps? I would imagine any time you use voice as a command in an app the iPhone send the data to a server to parse, even in third party apps. Is that the concern, or is it other data?
  - layer8 3y ago
    "Siri" is not just the voice assistant, Apple also uses that designation for other "intelligent" features, like "Siri Suggestions" [0]. The related personal information is shared across devices via Apple servers. Apple states that any analytics shared with Apple are anonymized [1], but users may still prefer to not share analytics in the first place. However, that can't be opted out globally, it can only be disabled per app [0]. Except maybe by turning off Siri in iCloud [2]? It's not clear. That's the criticism, it's difficult for users to understand what settings are enabling or disabling what exactly. It's quite complicated overall, and difficult to tell what you are and aren't sharing. [0] https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/about-siri-suggestions-iph6f94af287 https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/about-siri-suggestion... [1] https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/siri-suggestions-search/ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/siri-suggestions... [2] https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/tell-siri-about-yourself-iphfaf30bdbd/17.0/ios/17.0#ipha9a0dd043 https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/tell-siri-about-yours...
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izacus 3y ago

Opt-in patterns are only for 3rd party apps, not for Apple themselves. One rules for me, others for thee.