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> The entire Palestinian war doctrine is built around attacking Israel ... Let me correct that for you - The entire Palestinian resistance is built around the

> The entire Palestinian war doctrine is built around attacking Israel ... Let me correct that for you - The entire Palestinian resistance is built around the idea of fighting a foreign occupation of their land. Israel is a coloniser state, and the Palestinians are justified in fighting them, even violently, for their land and existence as many other colonial countries have in the past against their oppressors. The denial that some Israelis have about this is the height of political stupidity. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The problem with Israel is not PLA or Hamas, but the the right-wing religious fundamentalist Israeli-Jews that have captured power in Israel. Right-wing religious fundamentalists around the world thrive by creating a climate of fear and hate. Unless Israeli Jews and Palestinian muslims hate each other, they cannot be in power. And if you look at the history of the Israeli religious fundamentalist Jews, you will find that they have assassinated their own people, Palestinian politicians and ven foreign diplomats and leaders, to ensure that there is no peace and a climate of fear and hatred flourishes. Why do you think Netanyahu and his predecessor formulated the policy of supporting and financing Hamas when the PLA started exploring diplomatic and non-violent means of peace, and gaining international support? The reality was that that these religious fundamentalist Israeli politicians need some religious fundamentalist violent Palestinian faction to brainwash and radicalise their followers to retain power. So they deliberately create conflict. The Likud party that Netanyahu now heads, was found by religious fundamentalists in Israel who were a jewish terrorist organisation that took please in killing and slaughtering Palestinina men, women and children. Albert Einstein once warned the Israel polity about the dangers of such people capturing power in Israel because of the atrocity them committed against Palestinians in the name of Israel. It is not a co-incidence that Netanyahu and his other religious fundamentalist buddies allowed Hamas to attack Israel, when he and the right- in Israel are in a very politically precarious situation. The current war allows them to create hatred among the new generation of Israelis and Palestinians, so that they can cling on to power.

flyinglizard 3y ago
Sounds like you’re endorsing violence, just upset that your side is losing.
- gizmo 3y ago
  Most people find genocide upsetting. This isn't a video game. Tens of thousands of lives are being destroyed here.
  - flyinglizard 3y ago
    Whats the difference between “war” and “genocide”?
    - refulgentis 3y ago
      The starvation part and the "ehhhhh 100:1 civilian:combatant is fine" part. Btw the person you're replying to goes a bit farther than is appropriate, I apologize
      - flyinglizard 3y ago
        In what insane world do you have to feed enemy population?
        gizmo 3y ago
        You finally admit that you see the Palestinian people as the enemy.
        flyinglizard 3y ago
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        refulgentis 3y ago
        That's not true. If you read anything, it's very, very, clear that the absolute very most you can argue is "40% of Palestineans love Hamas and want it to fight Israel". Meanwhile, you're out here, doing in public: - why would anyone ever call this a genocide - they should be starved as they are the enemy - yes correct I mean all of the Palestineans are the enemy and should be starved - just listen to them for proof I, completely honestly, 100%, believe its more likely you're astroturfing to make Israel and Zionism look bad than an actual Zionist. But I'm a Zionist, so it's just cope on my end. Terrible stuff my friend.
trimethylpurine 3y ago
And what should the 12 million people living there now do? Let us know how you'll handle them.
- thisislife2 3y ago
  > And what should the 12 million people living there now do? Accept the idea of a single state where Palestinians and Israelis have true equal rights and live together as the best solution. The opponents to this are the religious fundamentalists on both sides, especially the Israeli-right. Or, alternatively, accept the two-state solution by creating a State for Palestinians.
  - trimethylpurine 3y ago
    Would Hamas dissolve? Their charter specifies that their goal is to kill all Jews. What happens after they are citizens? The two state solution was offered repeatedly. Israel isn't in charge of that. Hamas refused every time. So, I support you there, but it's not up to the 12 million living there. It's up to the handful of Hamas psychos holding Gaza hostage.
    - thisislife2 3y ago
      > Would Hamas dissolve? Their charter specifies that their goal is to kill all Jews. What happens after they are citizens? The same thing that happened to jewish terrorist organisations like the Ḥerut (“Freedom”) Party (who, like Hamas used to rape and slaughter woman and children) - their leader Menachem Begin founded the Likud party (which toned down its terrorist roots and became a right-wing fascist political party). PLA too has toned down. Hamas too can. Note that Hamas was democratically elected but was never allowed to exercise its democratic right to govern because Israel and the US didn't like it, and forced a civil war on Palestinians by urging the PLA to attack it, while using their propaganda machinery to demonise Hamas. The Israeli-right (and US) never wanted democratic organisations in Palestine to flourish because it makes it harder to demonise them and deny them their right, and would lead to a peaceful resolution between Palestinians and Israelis that they do not want. > The two state solution was offered repeatedly. Israel isn't in charge of that. Hamas refused every time. The Israeli-right doesn't want peace. It desires all the land of the Palestinians for the State of Israel. If you look at Israeli history, you will find that it is Israeli-religious fundamentalists who have always sabotaged the peace talks, while using the settlers to attack Palestinians and occupy more and more of their land. They killed their own Prime Minister, Yitzhak Rabin (The assassination of Yitzhak Rabin: ‘He never knew it was one of his people who shot him in the back’ - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/assassination-yitzhak-rabin-never-knew-his-people-shot-him-in-back https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/assassination-... ) as he was working for a peaceful settlement with Palestinians. They succeeded in sabotaging the peace process. Netanyahu's mentor, Ariel Sharon later gave the order for assassinating PLA's Yasser Arafat (Yasser Arafat: The Assassination - https://www.palestinechronicle.com/yasser-arafat-the-assassination/ https://www.palestinechronicle.com/yasser-arafat-the-assassi... ), to create anger and hate amongst the Palestinians and sabotage the peace process. They succeeded. Hamas too has many times offered to negotiate peace with Israel, but each time they were rebuffed by Israelis (Israel Rejected Peace with Hamas on Five Occasions* - https://inkstickmedia.com/israel-rejected-peace-with-hamas-on-five-occasions/ https://inkstickmedia.com/israel-rejected-peace-with-hamas-o... ). Why do you think Netanyahu continued to support and finance Hamas? (Why Israel Created Hamas - https://swprs.org/why-israel-created-hamas/ https://swprs.org/why-israel-created-hamas/ ). Even recently, Netanyahu has bluntly said he will never accept the two-state solution (Israel’s embattled leader has long opposed the emergence of an independent Palestine. - https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/22/netanyahu-biden-two-state-solution-palestine-river-to-sea/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/22/netanyahu-bi... ) and has instead used the recent tragedy to do the same thing the right-wing religious fundamentalists in Israel have always done - kill Palestines brazenly and seize their land in both Gaza and West Bank (Israel unveils big West Bank land seizure as Blinken visits - https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/03/israel-unveils-big-west-bank-land-seizure-blinken-visits https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/03/israel-unveils-... ). Israel's greatest enemy are their religious fundamentalists in power. They need to get rid of them, starting with Netanyahu, if they want lasting peace.

flyinglizard 3y ago

Sounds like you’re endorsing violence, just upset that your side is losing.

gizmo 3y ago
Most people find genocide upsetting. This isn't a video game. Tens of thousands of lives are being destroyed here.
- flyinglizard 3y ago
  Whats the difference between “war” and “genocide”?
  - refulgentis 3y ago
    The starvation part and the "ehhhhh 100:1 civilian:combatant is fine" part. Btw the person you're replying to goes a bit farther than is appropriate, I apologize
    - flyinglizard 3y ago
      In what insane world do you have to feed enemy population?
      - gizmo 3y ago
        You finally admit that you see the Palestinian people as the enemy.
        flyinglizard 3y ago
        [flagged]
        refulgentis 3y ago
        That's not true. If you read anything, it's very, very, clear that the absolute very most you can argue is "40% of Palestineans love Hamas and want it to fight Israel". Meanwhile, you're out here, doing in public: - why would anyone ever call this a genocide - they should be starved as they are the enemy - yes correct I mean all of the Palestineans are the enemy and should be starved - just listen to them for proof I, completely honestly, 100%, believe its more likely you're astroturfing to make Israel and Zionism look bad than an actual Zionist. But I'm a Zionist, so it's just cope on my end. Terrible stuff my friend.

trimethylpurine 3y ago

And what should the 12 million people living there now do? Let us know how you'll handle them.

thisislife2 3y ago
> And what should the 12 million people living there now do? Accept the idea of a single state where Palestinians and Israelis have true equal rights and live together as the best solution. The opponents to this are the religious fundamentalists on both sides, especially the Israeli-right. Or, alternatively, accept the two-state solution by creating a State for Palestinians.
- trimethylpurine 3y ago
  Would Hamas dissolve? Their charter specifies that their goal is to kill all Jews. What happens after they are citizens? The two state solution was offered repeatedly. Israel isn't in charge of that. Hamas refused every time. So, I support you there, but it's not up to the 12 million living there. It's up to the handful of Hamas psychos holding Gaza hostage.
  - thisislife2 3y ago
    > Would Hamas dissolve? Their charter specifies that their goal is to kill all Jews. What happens after they are citizens? The same thing that happened to jewish terrorist organisations like the Ḥerut (“Freedom”) Party (who, like Hamas used to rape and slaughter woman and children) - their leader Menachem Begin founded the Likud party (which toned down its terrorist roots and became a right-wing fascist political party). PLA too has toned down. Hamas too can. Note that Hamas was democratically elected but was never allowed to exercise its democratic right to govern because Israel and the US didn't like it, and forced a civil war on Palestinians by urging the PLA to attack it, while using their propaganda machinery to demonise Hamas. The Israeli-right (and US) never wanted democratic organisations in Palestine to flourish because it makes it harder to demonise them and deny them their right, and would lead to a peaceful resolution between Palestinians and Israelis that they do not want. > The two state solution was offered repeatedly. Israel isn't in charge of that. Hamas refused every time. The Israeli-right doesn't want peace. It desires all the land of the Palestinians for the State of Israel. If you look at Israeli history, you will find that it is Israeli-religious fundamentalists who have always sabotaged the peace talks, while using the settlers to attack Palestinians and occupy more and more of their land. They killed their own Prime Minister, Yitzhak Rabin (The assassination of Yitzhak Rabin: ‘He never knew it was one of his people who shot him in the back’ - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/assassination-yitzhak-rabin-never-knew-his-people-shot-him-in-back https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/assassination-... ) as he was working for a peaceful settlement with Palestinians. They succeeded in sabotaging the peace process. Netanyahu's mentor, Ariel Sharon later gave the order for assassinating PLA's Yasser Arafat (Yasser Arafat: The Assassination - https://www.palestinechronicle.com/yasser-arafat-the-assassination/ https://www.palestinechronicle.com/yasser-arafat-the-assassi... ), to create anger and hate amongst the Palestinians and sabotage the peace process. They succeeded. Hamas too has many times offered to negotiate peace with Israel, but each time they were rebuffed by Israelis (Israel Rejected Peace with Hamas on Five Occasions* - https://inkstickmedia.com/israel-rejected-peace-with-hamas-on-five-occasions/ https://inkstickmedia.com/israel-rejected-peace-with-hamas-o... ). Why do you think Netanyahu continued to support and finance Hamas? (Why Israel Created Hamas - https://swprs.org/why-israel-created-hamas/ https://swprs.org/why-israel-created-hamas/ ). Even recently, Netanyahu has bluntly said he will never accept the two-state solution (Israel’s embattled leader has long opposed the emergence of an independent Palestine. - https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/22/netanyahu-biden-two-state-solution-palestine-river-to-sea/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/22/netanyahu-bi... ) and has instead used the recent tragedy to do the same thing the right-wing religious fundamentalists in Israel have always done - kill Palestines brazenly and seize their land in both Gaza and West Bank (Israel unveils big West Bank land seizure as Blinken visits - https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/03/israel-unveils-big-west-bank-land-seizure-blinken-visits https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/03/israel-unveils-... ). Israel's greatest enemy are their religious fundamentalists in power. They need to get rid of them, starting with Netanyahu, if they want lasting peace.