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So maybe start with a quarter tablet? .. </sarcasm> Genuine question: How does it make fiscal business sense to kill your customers after one hit? Edit: than

So maybe start with a quarter tablet? .. </sarcasm> Genuine question: How does it make fiscal business sense to kill your customers after one hit? Edit: thank you all for your informative replies

newzisforsukas 3y ago
Surely the DEA wouldn't exaggerate?
- geoffmanning 3y ago
  not an exaggeration, but relativity is everything here
PaulHoule 3y ago
You develop a tolerance that sort of drug so a dose that would turn you or me into a zombie would barely register for a junkie.
clipsy 3y ago
> Genuine question: How does it make fiscal business sense to kill your customers after one hit? It doesn't. Even making the generous assumption that the DEA is being honest here, what constitutes a lethal dose for a non-user may be substantially less than what constitutes a lethal dose for a heavy-using addict.
- mikeyouse 3y ago
  In college I worked in a hospital where one of the nurses was abusing fentanyl by taking the 'waste' and ordering doses for patients and not administering it. Eventually people caught on and confronted her, she offered to take a toxicology test to prove her innocence so they drew her blood. She was completely coherent, you would have a hard time knowing that she was the least bit altered, but she had something like 550mcg in her system. For a patient of her size with no tolerance, they'd likely administer 50mcg or 100mcg for regional anesthesia. It's crazy how much tolerance can build.
  - tomcam 3y ago
    I’m incredibly fat (300 lbs) but they never have problems knocking me out with a light dose because I have zero experience with recreational drugs or alcohol. They need to up the dosage substantially for heavy weed users. Intellectually I would love to know how it affects her. Does she require ever-increasing doses? Did the first time put her to sleep? Is her driving impaired? So many questions…
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    - cdelsolar 3y ago
      Hmm, there are definitely fatters.
- RajT88 3y ago
  Famously, a lot of Rock N' Roll overdoses are from former users who took a break, and then administered the dose they always recalled using, and then die from overdose. That's how much tolerance can build. Last one of these I read about was the singer to GWAR.
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sp332 3y ago
"Bay Area police union leader allegedly smuggled fentanyl into US to sell in bulk" https://abcnews.go.com/US/bay-area-police-union-leader-allegedly-smuggled-fentanyl/story?id=98271260 https://abcnews.go.com/US/bay-area-police-union-leader-alleg...
paxys 3y ago
It doesn't. It's just that the people cutting cocaine, MDMA etc. with fentanyl aren't doing so in the most accurately calibrated settings.
zdragnar 3y ago
My friend's father was on some form of opioid for much of my friend's life, due to a motorcycle accident that busted both his knees. Towards the end, he was on Actiq, a lozenge form of fentanyl citrate iirc. Supposedly it was strong enough to be fatal for someone without any opioid tolerance. These pills are probably much the same. Strong enough to get someone high who has built up a tolerance to everything else, but also strong enough to kill the uninitiated.

So maybe start with a quarter tablet? .. </sarcasm> Genuine question: How does it make fiscal business sense to kill your customers after one hit? Edit: thank you all for your informative replies

newzisforsukas 3y ago

Surely the DEA wouldn't exaggerate?

geoffmanning 3y ago
not an exaggeration, but relativity is everything here

PaulHoule 3y ago

You develop a tolerance that sort of drug so a dose that would turn you or me into a zombie would barely register for a junkie.

clipsy 3y ago

> Genuine question: How does it make fiscal business sense to kill your customers after one hit? It doesn't. Even making the generous assumption that the DEA is being honest here, what constitutes a lethal dose for a non-user may be substantially less than what constitutes a lethal dose for a heavy-using addict.

mikeyouse 3y ago
In college I worked in a hospital where one of the nurses was abusing fentanyl by taking the 'waste' and ordering doses for patients and not administering it. Eventually people caught on and confronted her, she offered to take a toxicology test to prove her innocence so they drew her blood. She was completely coherent, you would have a hard time knowing that she was the least bit altered, but she had something like 550mcg in her system. For a patient of her size with no tolerance, they'd likely administer 50mcg or 100mcg for regional anesthesia. It's crazy how much tolerance can build.
- tomcam 3y ago
  I’m incredibly fat (300 lbs) but they never have problems knocking me out with a light dose because I have zero experience with recreational drugs or alcohol. They need to up the dosage substantially for heavy weed users. Intellectually I would love to know how it affects her. Does she require ever-increasing doses? Did the first time put her to sleep? Is her driving impaired? So many questions…
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  - cdelsolar 3y ago
    Hmm, there are definitely fatters.
RajT88 3y ago
Famously, a lot of Rock N' Roll overdoses are from former users who took a break, and then administered the dose they always recalled using, and then die from overdose. That's how much tolerance can build. Last one of these I read about was the singer to GWAR.

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sp332 3y ago

"Bay Area police union leader allegedly smuggled fentanyl into US to sell in bulk" https://abcnews.go.com/US/bay-area-police-union-leader-allegedly-smuggled-fentanyl/story?id=98271260 https://abcnews.go.com/US/bay-area-police-union-leader-alleg...

paxys 3y ago

It doesn't. It's just that the people cutting cocaine, MDMA etc. with fentanyl aren't doing so in the most accurately calibrated settings.

zdragnar 3y ago

My friend's father was on some form of opioid for much of my friend's life, due to a motorcycle accident that busted both his knees. Towards the end, he was on Actiq, a lozenge form of fentanyl citrate iirc. Supposedly it was strong enough to be fatal for someone without any opioid tolerance. These pills are probably much the same. Strong enough to get someone high who has built up a tolerance to everything else, but also strong enough to kill the uninitiated.