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>When people say you’re not “thinking critically”, they’re saying you’re trying to portray one of the modern conflicts with the lowest civilian deaths (versus c
by the-smug-one 3y ago
>When people say you’re not “thinking critically”, they’re saying you’re trying to portray one of the modern conflicts with the lowest civilian deaths (versus combatants) as a crime against humanity while ignoring numerous others — eg, genocides in Niger or Myanmar, and forced expulsions in Armenia/Azerbaijan.
Why is it that this is always mentioned? As if ignorance of one crime against humanity makes us incapable of criticizing the other? And where exactly are the public spokespeople from our governments talking about how any of these genocides are justified as the killers have a "right to defend themselves"? Not to talk about how an attack that killed 4000 people justifies killing 25000 non-combatants.
> They’re not interested in a tit-for-tat retaliation: they’re intending to destroy the political and military structures that made the attack possible. A smaller country can’t cry “that isn’t fair!” when they start a fight and get beaten — this isn’t a scuffle between kids at school.
This is not even comparable to what is occurring when the world is condemning Israel's actions. If Israel was interested in removing the political structures that made Hamas's attack supported by Gaza then they could've stopped the settlement of the west bank, supported the stability of the Palestinian state, and countless of other actions which would have lowered the risk of creating terrorists in Gaza.
- chgs 3y agoPeople hold israel to a higher standard as it’s a modern western democracy and not some tinpot banana republic or military junta.
- myth_drannon 3y agoWell Turkey is a democracy(and a NATO member), Armenia is too. It's the fixation with Jews that compels such scrutiny of everything that Israel does.
- flyinglizard 3y agoIf you followed the conflict you’d have seen that Israeli concessions (especially the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza) have only made the Palestinians more radical. The overwhelming states goal of Palestinians is the destruction of Israel and any Israeli concession leads towards that.
- gizmo 3y agoIsrael doesn't want peace because they're winning. Every year Palestinians lose territory, and the land that remains becomes more and more uninhabitable.
- flyinglizard 3y agoIsraelis don’t want peace because every time it was attempted, it only led to more violence and misery. The suicide bombings around Oslo accords in the 90’s, the second intifada of 2000, the terror enclave that became of Gaza after the disengagement in 2005; peace is a dangerous pipe dream.
- gizmo 3y agoThe last time Israel “attempted” peace was before the majority of Palestinians were even born. The only peace talks that had any chance of working were held by Rabin who got promptly murdered. Israel also never stopped killing Palestinians and refuses to return the land they have unlawfully occupied.
- flyinglizard 3y agoIsrael gave Gaza to the Palestinians in 2005.
- gizmo 3y agoIt was never theirs to begin with and they turned it into a prison. They destroyed the Gaza airport and harbor. Build a fence around it so nobody could enter or leave. Refused to negotiate with the elected officials of Gaza. Israel still has settlements in the west bank and has annexed the Golan heights. No matter which border agreement you believe is the lawful one, Isreal hasn't honored any of them.