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> It's been clear from the start that they've been targeting journalists, medical staff and anyone involved in aid distribution I really doubt that's the case,

> It's been clear from the start that they've been targeting journalists, medical staff and anyone involved in aid distribution I really doubt that's the case, seems more like a "fire first if any suspicion at all and ask questions later" policy. If there was an intentional policy to kills journalists, aid workers and medical staff you'd see a lot more dead. And you have to be extremely naive or one sided to not realize that Hamas does use those type of roles as cover for their operations. Not trying to justify Israel's actions because they are fucked up, but based on all the evidence we have you are clearly wrong.

Workaccount2 3y ago
>And you have to be extremely naive or one sided to not realize that Hamas does use those type of roles as cover for their operations. Why would Hamas use anything other than clearly uniformed soldiers, marked military vehicles, and civilian distanced military installations?
pvaldes 3y ago
> I really doubt that's the case, seems more like a "fire first if any suspicion at all and ask questions later" policy. I will try to solve your doubt. Gaza is a closed area. You can't just cross freely the frontier unless Israel allows it. Before that, humanitarian organisations are required to inform directly to Israeli army about everything that they want to do, where they want to go, how many, an when. They are clearly identified by a logo at all times. Israel had every single piece of info necessary to avoid bombing aid workers and had it for weeks Despite that, Israel can't avoid to keep killing this workers; and they were doing the same repeatedly, systematically, for the last six months, in multiple attacks that last tens of minutes (maybe even hours?), while singing "oops!, I did it again". The theory of the honest mistake is getting really difficult to swallow.
- mupuff1234 3y ago
  I think you're proving the opposite - like you said they have all the information so if they really wanted to kill all aid workers they could easily do that, so the fact that they haven't makes it pretty clear that isn't their goal. You really think Israel coordinated with WCK for weeks now only to suddenly decide to kill a few aid workers intentionally? It makes zero sense. And if you wanna go all conspiracy theory, why not just make it to look like Hamas killed the aid workers? It would be extremely easy for Israel to do so.
  - pvaldes 3y ago
    Well, they had assassinated yet "a few" (hundreds of) physicians, and nurses, and ambulance drivers in the area, so maybe are getting more bold about it. > why not just make it to look like Hamas killed the aid workers? Because they simply don't care, obviously. They even feel safe enough to film their own crimes.
    - mupuff1234 3y ago
      So why even allow WCK to operate from the start? They could easily just deny them access. Seems like negligence and not caring for collateral damage is much more straightforward reason compared to intentionally targeting them.
      - adhamsalama 3y ago
        The WCK withdrew from Gaza after being killed by Israel. Now Israel can say that they didn't stop aid, they just "accidentally" killed an entire envoy of aid, which unfortunately led to the WCK withdrawing from Gaza.
        mupuff1234 3y ago
        Ok, so why not just put the blame on Hamas? Seems like an easy win-win if that was indeed Israel's goal.
      - GordonS 3y ago
        Probably so they have "evidence" of their "good behaviour" for the next ICJ hearing.
        mupuff1234 3y ago
        So again, why not make it look like it was Hamas who killed the aid workers? I mean if it was all planned ahead seems like an obvious thing to do given that it wouldn't taint the "good behaviour" while also stopping aid.
hightrix 3y ago
> I really doubt that's the case It is. The IDF shot once, then when a vehicle came to rescue survivors, they shot again. Then the third attempt at rescueing survivors, they shot a third time. Purposefully murdering aid workers that coordinated with the IDF before entering the area. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/idf-strike-on-gaza-aid-convoy-workers-what-happened/ar-BB1l0lSH https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/idf-strike-on-gaza-aid-... “…were traveling in a convoy that had been coordinated with the Israel Defense Forces and was following an IDF-approved route. The vehicles had GPS trackers and SOS beacons broadcasting their positions”
- mupuff1234 3y ago
  No one is disputing that the convoy was targeted, even the idf admits that, the question is why.
- AdamN 3y ago
  That's not really a rebuttal - the entire convoy was (incorrectly) identified as a target. If they were actually military it certainly would make sense to kill the targets one by one as it's hard to target simultaneously.

Workaccount2 3y ago

>And you have to be extremely naive or one sided to not realize that Hamas does use those type of roles as cover for their operations. Why would Hamas use anything other than clearly uniformed soldiers, marked military vehicles, and civilian distanced military installations?

pvaldes 3y ago

> I really doubt that's the case, seems more like a "fire first if any suspicion at all and ask questions later" policy. I will try to solve your doubt. Gaza is a closed area. You can't just cross freely the frontier unless Israel allows it. Before that, humanitarian organisations are required to inform directly to Israeli army about everything that they want to do, where they want to go, how many, an when. They are clearly identified by a logo at all times. Israel had every single piece of info necessary to avoid bombing aid workers and had it for weeks Despite that, Israel can't avoid to keep killing this workers; and they were doing the same repeatedly, systematically, for the last six months, in multiple attacks that last tens of minutes (maybe even hours?), while singing "oops!, I did it again". The theory of the honest mistake is getting really difficult to swallow.

mupuff1234 3y ago
I think you're proving the opposite - like you said they have all the information so if they really wanted to kill all aid workers they could easily do that, so the fact that they haven't makes it pretty clear that isn't their goal. You really think Israel coordinated with WCK for weeks now only to suddenly decide to kill a few aid workers intentionally? It makes zero sense. And if you wanna go all conspiracy theory, why not just make it to look like Hamas killed the aid workers? It would be extremely easy for Israel to do so.
- pvaldes 3y ago
  Well, they had assassinated yet "a few" (hundreds of) physicians, and nurses, and ambulance drivers in the area, so maybe are getting more bold about it. > why not just make it to look like Hamas killed the aid workers? Because they simply don't care, obviously. They even feel safe enough to film their own crimes.
  - mupuff1234 3y ago
    So why even allow WCK to operate from the start? They could easily just deny them access. Seems like negligence and not caring for collateral damage is much more straightforward reason compared to intentionally targeting them.
    - adhamsalama 3y ago
      The WCK withdrew from Gaza after being killed by Israel. Now Israel can say that they didn't stop aid, they just "accidentally" killed an entire envoy of aid, which unfortunately led to the WCK withdrawing from Gaza.
      - mupuff1234 3y ago
        Ok, so why not just put the blame on Hamas? Seems like an easy win-win if that was indeed Israel's goal.
    - GordonS 3y ago
      Probably so they have "evidence" of their "good behaviour" for the next ICJ hearing.
      - mupuff1234 3y ago
        So again, why not make it look like it was Hamas who killed the aid workers? I mean if it was all planned ahead seems like an obvious thing to do given that it wouldn't taint the "good behaviour" while also stopping aid.

hightrix 3y ago

> I really doubt that's the case It is. The IDF shot once, then when a vehicle came to rescue survivors, they shot again. Then the third attempt at rescueing survivors, they shot a third time. Purposefully murdering aid workers that coordinated with the IDF before entering the area. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/idf-strike-on-gaza-aid-convoy-workers-what-happened/ar-BB1l0lSH https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/idf-strike-on-gaza-aid-... “…were traveling in a convoy that had been coordinated with the Israel Defense Forces and was following an IDF-approved route. The vehicles had GPS trackers and SOS beacons broadcasting their positions”

mupuff1234 3y ago
No one is disputing that the convoy was targeted, even the idf admits that, the question is why.
AdamN 3y ago
That's not really a rebuttal - the entire convoy was (incorrectly) identified as a target. If they were actually military it certainly would make sense to kill the targets one by one as it's hard to target simultaneously.