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7.4 earthquake in Taiwan, 34km depth
- yinser 3y agoJapan’s meteorological agency forecast a tsunami of up to 3 meters (9.8 feet) for those curious https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/02/taiwan-earthquake-tsunami/94c93bde-f150-11ee-a4c9-88e569a98b58_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/02/taiwan-earth...
- lukan 3y ago3 m sound not too bad?
- s_m_t 3y agoIt can be a very long wave. If you have a coastal area that is mostly at or very close to sea level then that entire area could now be 3m underwater which is very bad. Also, even under normal conditions the type of wave you would see at the beach with a height of 3m is insanely powerful. I think the highest I have body surfed in was maybe 2-2.5m and if you get caught in the break of the wave you are literally powerless and get dragged under water and spun around for quite some distance. It is a bizarre experience and doesn't really match the basic intuition of how powerful it should be.
- yosito 3y agoYep, where I live (rent) a 3m wave would fill my house with 1m of water. Even if it was one quick wave, that washed over without staying long enough to completely flood the inside of my house, I'd probably at least have to deal with a bunch of water damage.
- Someone 3y agoI would be more worried about the force of the water hitting things and about objects it drags with it than about water damage. One meter of water weighs 1000kg/m². If a wave a few meters long slams into a wall of your house, that can easily be more force than that of a decent sized car doing the same.
- lloeki 3y agoMy crude understanding and associated mental imagery is that tsunami waves are more like tide than "usual" waves: your typical 3m wave is mostly "surface-ish" in comparison, while 3m tsunami has both greater wavelength and "depth", which is what makes the "usual" wave break quickly when it reaches shore, whereas tsunami waves continue pushing real hard for real long because of all the length * undersurface water you don't see. Gently shaking a glass of water sideways or blowing upon it won't make much water spill out, but jolt it vertically and most of it goes out real quick. This is all probably very incorrect physics but it helps drive my intuitive understanding that 3m wave and 3m tsunami are quite different, the former being scary but the latter being muuuuch scarier.
- lukan 3y agoI know 3 m waves are powerful, I was within them. But they are normal on most coast and that they are bad on a flat beach I can imagine. But Taiwan is quite steep, so aside from some damaged boathouses, I cannot see the big danger (compared to the consequences of the earth quake). But apparently no Tsunami came.
- defrost 3y agoOur local offshore break that we grew up with as kids was, and still is, a total monster in storm (a long way back and out to sea) conditions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjHaFOGBPzk&t=138s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjHaFOGBPzk&t=138s https://www.surfertoday.com/surfing/the-right-the-monster-western-australia-wave https://www.surfertoday.com/surfing/the-right-the-monster-we... It's a little bigger than 3m at the face and is a "slab" .. not a thin wave but one backed by a mass of water. Somewhere in that video you might see a triple lip .. three curling breaks, one within another and another again.
- northwest65 3y agoThink of it as a 3m tall bulldozer the width of the country with effectively unlimited pushing power. Watch some videos of the Japan tsunami, it's basically an unstoppable force that gobbles up everything in it's path. Very uncool.
- shiroiushi 3y agoIt's generally very bad, but it also depends on the shoreline. If your city is on the coast at sea level with no real barrier, it's devastating. If there's a big cliff and everything is at higher elevation, you can ignore it. Unfortunately, people tend to build settlements at sea level.
- PaulHoule 3y agoConsider for instance this place https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Diablo_Canyon_Power_Plant#/media/File:Diablo_canyon_nuclear_power_plant.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Diablo_Canyon_Po... which is on top of a high bluff thus much more secure than the Fukushima NPP.
- shiroiushi 3y agoUnfortunately, that power plant is very close to two fault lines, and they didn't even know when they built it, so it's questionable how well it'll withstand an earthquake. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_Canyon_Power_Plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_Canyon_Power_Plant
- PaulHoule 3y agoThey increased the anticipated seismic loads and also reinforced the structure accordingly. I don’t think any NPP has been scrutinized to the extent that Diablo has been.
- supportengineer 3y agoWe should set up some stone monuments to delineate the high water mark, for future generations.
- longemen3000 3y agoa 3-meter high wall of water is not really good either, due to kinetic energies, if no significant tsunami coastal protections, that water flow can reach far inland
- dylan604 3y agoi'm always amazed how little appreciation people have for massive amount of water. a 3m wave will more than ruin your day. trust me, it's plenty
- heavyset_go 3y agoI lived in a coastal region where, every storm season, people would get swept out to sea and drown because they were watching storm waves from the beach. Sometimes they'd even go in the water, out on jetties or out on piers, without any appreciation for the sheer forces at work that push the water around. With enough force, even ankle to knee deep water can sweep you off your feet and suck you out to sea. Sadly parents let their kids do this and some have lost their lives.
- christkv 3y agoWe had two tourists just get killed last week during storms. Both swept off harbor walls wanting to look at the waves. There are literally warning signs everywhere.
- heavyset_go 3y agoYeah, it's usually tourists or people vacationing from their beach houses. It's sad when more than one person drowns this way, because it usually means the additional people that lost their lives were trying to rescue the others. Recently happened to a parent and their kid here.
- lukan 3y agoWell, I was in the ocean saving a person getting caught by such a big wave on the beach, so I do appreciate the power of the water here. But I think 3 m waves are quite normal on most coast lines in rough sea. So my question was, why would a Tsunami of the same height be that much worse. And in comparison to the destruction of the earthquake in general here.
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- fuzztester 3y ago3m is about 10 ft which is huge, though there are huger waves.
- heavyset_go 3y agoImagine a 10 foot wall of water flooding the coast that just doesn't stop. Smaller tsunamis have devastated coastal regions before. People, beach houses, etc are swept away under that force even though the height is rather low.
- danparsonson 3y agoHow tall are you?? Imagine standing at the shoreline and the water level suddenly being 3m higher...
- laborcontract 3y ago3 meters is significant if you live in an inundation zone. You can see the effect on a seaside community here: https://www.floodmap.net https://www.floodmap.net
- golergka 3y agoThis comment author was not correct, but this question prompted a lot of great answers and improved the quality of the discussion. Per HN rules, this comment should be upvoted, not downvoted.
- gpsx 3y agoIt’s not really a wave, it is more of a tide that comes in quickly. So everything gets flooded to 3m above the normal water level, and stays that way for a while.
- Hasnep 3y agoThe tsunami reports I've heard here on the north coast are that it ended up being less than 1 metre tall, so luckily nothing to worry about.
- RaoulP 3y agoI’m on the southwestern coast of Ishigaki island (one of the closest to Taiwan), and the effects really seem to have been minimal. The harbor area here was dead silent for a while, empty streets. But things are back to normal now that the tsunami warning has been lifted.
- comex 3y agoAs of 40 minutes after the event, someone has already created a Wikipedia article about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Taiwan_earthquake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Taiwan_earthquake
- yazzku 3y agoAnd with a timeline of events, assessment of impact, and all 21 references, damn.
- OsrsNeedsf2P 3y agoWhile it's cool that Wikipedia could be used for breaking news, "Recentism"[0] is generally not seen favorably on Wikipedia [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Recentism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Recentism
- TillE 3y agoWikipedia itself isn't ideal for this, but I keep waiting for some major news institution to migrate away from the ancient newspaper article format and towards something more wiki-like for covering stories. I think you could productively fit any kind of news coverage into a wiki article plus a stream of recent updates.
- dewey 3y agoHaving a newspaper article giving context and then having updates at the bottom isn't really something that doesn't exist. It happens all the time.
- pests 3y agoThat's just love coverage CNN and major news do nowadays. Find the live event page and there's minute by minute updates, background information / quick recap, other sources and links, images, etc all updated in real time.
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- yellow_lead 3y agoThis was felt pretty strongly in Taipei, some reports of electricity outage too. All my friends and I seem ok though.
- voisin 3y agoIs there a stream of the big dampening device in Taipei 101? I cannot find it via usual searches but wonder if it is available in another language search.
- thangngoc89 3y agoIt happened too early 8:03 AM. Probably no visitor or even staff in Taipei 101. Last time videos are all from visitor.
- voisin 3y agoThat’s too bad. They should live stream it so they can allow performance after earthquakes, a testament to successful engineering.
- hojinkoh 3y agoI can't imagine how terrifying it will be if I was on Taipei 101 during this quake...
- komali2 3y agoThere's no building I'd rather be in during an earthquake in all of Taiwan. Scratch that - a TSMC fabrication facility is probably safer.
- wiredfool 3y agoYou shouldn't be. Tall buildings (> 40 floors) are one of the safer places to be in an earthquake. 1) They're engineered. 2) They're already designed for side loads from wind. 3) Their fundamental frequency is well lower than the peak of the earthquake spectrum, so they don't amplify the motion. Good rule of thumb is that period = floors/10, so fo a 50 story building you're looking at a 5 second period. Earthquakes have most of their energy in ~1 second period waves. So effectively, the base wiggles and the top just floats along. The place to be terrified is in a 6-10 story unreinforced masonry apartment building.
- 4monthsaway 3y agoThat was a big one here this morning 50 minutes ago. Earthquake alert and later a rare tsunami alert. Very shaky.
- AnimalMuppet 3y agoTsunami warnings in Japan. US is evaluating whether to issue warnings.
- lobochrome 3y agoTsunami warnings in Okinawa. Not in the main islands.
- djaykay 3y agoProbably not much to worry about in the US. The Fukushima earthquake was much more powerful, but the resulting tsunami did almost nothing to the US west coast. Some boats in Crescent City were wrecked, but that’s due to local geography funneling the wave a certain way. I’m on an island in the SF bay, we saw nothing.
- xattt 3y agoI see earthquake reports (like this one) describe earthquake depth. What is the significance of it? Is it somehow actionable?
- steanne 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_of_focus_(tectonics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_of_focus_(tectonics)
- xattt 3y agoThanks! I must admit it’s hard to find an answer myself without the vocabulary.
- acchow 3y agoThis is where LLMs really shine.
- dmix 3y agoThat's a very good point, I was trying to google how buttons on a calculator communicate with the chips underneath, basically how contacts work, and Googling that kept giving me stuff about calculators not electronics, but ChatGPT gave me the perfect bullet point breakdown because it understood the context of my more general question. People often communicate/think in analogies to the underlying concepts.
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- northwest65 3y agoAs somebody who has been through more than 10 thousand quakes, it's as significant as the force itself. 7.4 @ 300km deep you just yawn and roll over. @10km deep you pray your concrete roof tiles don't come through the ceiling and kill you in your bed... you basically just lie on top of your wife, give thanks for the time you did have, and hope for the best.
- stewpy 3y agoAre fabs knocked offline?
- freeqaz 3y agoThis was my first thought also. I know they have seismic isolation tech, but how good is it?
- jprd 3y agoI wish this wasn't my first thought too, but it was. I can't imagine all those wafers are happy.
- stewpy 3y agoIt's really good, best in the world, specifically on the leading edge. Issue is now probably bridges/ roads and other interlinking logistics - if this stuff holds up supply chain/ stops people getting to and from work that's an issue.
- blackcat201 3y agoThe standard operation is to stop and check if any machine was out of calibration. So yes
- gary_0 3y agoI don't see any major TSMC fabs[0] near the epicenter in Hualien. The Taichung fabs are closer but on the western side, while the Tainan fabs are pretty far away from the quake. Edit: There will be some disruption as TSMC has evacuated employees[1]. No structural damage reported, though. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabricat... [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-03/tsmc-evacuates-production-lines-after-major-taiwan-quake https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-03/tsmc-evac...
- kurthr 3y agoI'm hopeful for the 3nm Tainan fabs, but I expect disruption at the Taichung and Hsinchu fabs since the quake was felt in Taipei. It's common for the equipment to be recalibrated and tested, if you can feel an event. I suspect this was felt in the west. Hopefully, not down for a week, if everything is good. Hopefully, the towns and people on the east coast are OK, but this one is big. edit- Since there are reports of shaking in Kaohsiung (farther south than Tainan), I'm less hopeful for the southern fabs.
- ammo1662 3y agoanother 6.5 earthquake after 10 minutes: https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us7000m9gc/executive https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us7000m9gc...
- photon-torpedo 3y agoReport from the Taiwan agency: https://www.cwa.gov.tw/V8/E/E/EQ/EQ113019-0403-075809.html https://www.cwa.gov.tw/V8/E/E/EQ/EQ113019-0403-075809.html And a list of all recent earthquakes, showing the aftershocks: https://www.cwa.gov.tw/V8/E/E/index.html https://www.cwa.gov.tw/V8/E/E/index.html
- imrehg 3y agoWhenever I look at those reports, I keep wondering how many automated systems have to be there in place to generate all that. All the waveform records, the intensity maps, etc..., they should be all auto-generated, and likely verified by humans afterwards? Would be super curious of the IT setup and deployment of such things. This also likely feeds into the automatic warning systems (sent to mobile phones to warn of an incming earthquake, tsunami, or something else), which is likely going to be discussed afterwards, as loads of people didn't get a warning. (As opposted to recent Chinese satellite launch where _everyone_ got the overly scary rocket alert.) Edit: now they are saying their calculation has to project a minimum "peak ground acceleration" (PGA) of 25 (what units?) to have an alert, and a lot of the places didn't hit that, in part due to underestimating the intensity at the epicentre. I guess they will be revising this criteria, as this was overly conservative on the "less noise" side, while people are likely more forgiving in reverse (getting an alert when they didn't need one).
- mrb 3y agoMultiple buildings have collapsed. There will be many fatalities: https://twitter.com/Huberton/status/1775320722115539349 https://twitter.com/Huberton/status/1775320722115539349 https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1775325642386481216 https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1775325642386481216
- voisin 3y agoMan in that second video they look so calm standing under a massive potential landslide that could sweep them to their death.
- dylan604 3y agoThat first one with the leaning building...have they not seen footage from 9/11 or any disaster movie about how far the debris field can travel in an uncontrolled building collapse? That's a definite nope from me.
- komali2 3y agoMost of the pictures are a little misleading for distance etc, as well as time. When people are close to the building is before the fire department arrived, and people are trying to get other people out of the building. It sounds like they're relatively situationally aware, warning eachother about live cables, gas, etc. Obviously there's a risk of death but there's also a risk of your old neighbor getting squashed if you don't get her out, so, I guess it's up to each person how they react. Within about 20 minutes the fire department had completed its first evaluation of damage and identified the 3 partially collapsed buildings.
- dylan604 3y agoIf you're a lookie-loo with your phone camera out, you're not very concerned about your neighbor. You're shooting disaster porn for the likes
- danparsonson 3y ago
- davesque 3y agoI visited Hualien a few years ago. Very sad to see this.
- imwillofficial 3y agoI went through a 7.6 quake one time. It was wild. I hope everyone stays safe.
- rohan_ 3y agoAnyone have a link to a video of that sweet Tuned Mass Damper (https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/tuned-mass-damper-of-taipei-101 https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/tuned-mass-damper-of-tai...) in action this time around?
- autarch 3y agoI'm in Kaohsiung (southwest Taiwan) and this woke me up around 8am. I'm on the 15th floor and definitely felt the building shaking. It was more excitement than I wanted that early in the morning.
- Pufferbo 3y agoWhat’s the significance of an earthquake’s depth?
- kadoban 3y agoMostly just significant in terms of distance. If it's deeper, it's farther away and you'll feel it less.
- newzisforsukas 3y agohttps://pressbooks.cuny.edu/gorokhovich/chapter/causes-of-earthquakes/#:~:text=Shallow%20earthquakes%20cause%20the%20most%20damage%20because%20the%20focus%20is%20near%20where%20people%20live.%20However%2C%20it%20is%20the%20epicenter%20of%20an%20earthquake%20that%20is%20reported%20by%20scientists%20and%20the%20media%20(figure%201) https://pressbooks.cuny.edu/gorokhovich/chapter/causes-of-ea....
- shusaku 3y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39912520 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39912520
- smcin 3y agoShallower earthquakes cause much more damage (on the surface), esp. if near densely populated areas; also depends greatly on how earthquake-proof structures and buildings are. Today's one was 34km deep/21 miles. 1989 SF (Loma Prieta) was magnitude 6.9, epicenter 56 mi south of SF, depth 11 miles. (Typical California earthquake focal depths are 4 to 6 miles). 1906 huge SF earthquake was magnitude 7.9, depth 5 miles. 2008 Sichuan, China earthquake (87,587 killed) was magnitude 8.0, depth 19 km. 2011 Fukushima, Japan earthquake(+ tsunami) was magnitude 9.0, depth of 18.6 mi/30km at sea.
- smcin 3y agoThis CNN article hs a list of previous Taiwan earthquakes, magnitude, location, deaths and injuries, but not depth: https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/02/asia/taiwan-earthquake-tsunami-warning-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/02/asia/taiwan-earthquake-tsunam...
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- getToTheChopin 3y agoIf you're in the region -- please stay safe.
- partiallypro 3y agoTSMC evacuated their facilities, hopefully there is no damage there and no serious injuries or deaths across the country. Taiwan has said there are a number of Chinese warships that have entered their waters as well, supposedly willing to lend aid...though not sure if that's a good deal to take.
- komali2 3y agoThe Circle line has dislodged https://www.setn.com/News.aspx?NewsID=1448651 https://www.setn.com/News.aspx?NewsID=1448651 Live stream of news about the incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SydScnOrmf8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SydScnOrmf8 There's been pretty big aftershocks like clockwork after, it's gonna be a hard day. My dog is freaked out, my fish tanks are half empty, we're not sure if we can open the restaurant since the MRT is closed and our chef lives quite far, and that's just life in Taipei, I can't imagine what people in Hualian are going through. Edit: the aftershock just now was as strong as some of the scarier earthquakes I've ever felt in my life. Such a rough day for Hualien. I envision going down to the southeast to support but it might actually be impossible right now, due to landslides and the train lines going down. Even if I took my motorcycle, I doubt I could get through. Edit: pov from a car on an elevated road https://twitter.com/jimmy_su/status/1775347726697587167?s=20 https://twitter.com/jimmy_su/status/1775347726697587167?s=20 most highways in Taiwan are elevated maybe 100m or so. Edit: hw9 near Hualien lost a bridge https://udn.com/news/story/7314/7874283 https://udn.com/news/story/7314/7874283 that is one of the most beautiful, well maintained, fun, and safest roads I've ever motorcycled in my life. I hope they are able to repair it. Edit: I'm furious with YouTube for forcing this to be a "short" with bad-on-purpose UX but here's a video of odd water behavior in a port https://youtube.com/shorts/91Rmacvw4ho?si=d78KAUvDTeg_ovbh https://youtube.com/shorts/91Rmacvw4ho?si=d78KAUvDTeg_ovbh
- baby 3y agoMy friend said his building was shaking. I was there last week, didn’t feel it in Tokyo. Looks like some tsunami alerts have been sent. Seing some bad videos from hualien
- LAC-Tech 3y agoLast time this happened in Taiwan buildings collapsed and peopled died because corrupt local construction companies had put too much sand in their concrete to save money.
- spxneo 3y agothis guy is right again at predicting these earth quakes: https://twitter.com/ssgeos/status/1775146068079960148 https://twitter.com/ssgeos/status/1775146068079960148
- komali2 3y agoWould love to see the deleted predictions lol
- spxneo 3y agohe's been doing this for years with youtube videos accompanying his tweets i dont think hes here to sell anything
- dylan604 3y agothis is the first time i've ever seen this person. how is he received in non youtube audiences? is this fringe level stuff, or is this accepted science? i have a hard time wrapping my head around a planetary alignment with Neptune affecting Earth. I'm not dismissing it, but my knee jerk is this can't be real, yeah?
- spxneo 3y agohis track record indicates this is not a random reinforcement but something worth looking into. I also didn't know what this planetary alignment is but there have been papers around it.
- doodlebugging 3y agoWhen I was a kid some of my neighbor's trees occasionally had papers around them too. Might even have been the same kind of paper.
- isthatafact 3y agoWithout independent statistical analysis, he has no "track record".
- burgerquizz 3y agonot easy to find good devs in taipei, so shameless plug: for folks living in taipei, who want to find a good english speaking dev community: https://join.taipeidev.com https://join.taipeidev.com
- castiel652 3y agoNo embedded software as an option?
- hntddt1 3y agoGlad to find this gem
- komali2 3y agoHaha ok fellow coffee coworker, if we're plugging then I'm plugging the co-op https://508.dev https://508.dev
- Ostrogoth 3y ago18 aftershocks/additional earthquakes across the island in 4.7-6.4 range as of this comment. I’m not sure if that is a normal amount, but seems high. https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/?extent=-22.91792,-129.55078&extent=72.34246,-60.46875&map=false https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/?extent=-22.9179...
- mmsc 3y agoMaybe not the right place to ask, but what’s the tech scene like in Taiwan? Other than TSMC, are there any interesting things going on? I’m in Kaohsiung but haven’t investigated the scene.
- vishalontheline 3y agoIf you've never visited South East Asia, then Taipei is probably the best first city to visit over there. Nice people, amazing food, many English speakers, easy to navigate. I'm sure there's a tech scene there, but I would visit even if there wasn't.
- lawgimenez 3y agoTaiwan is not South East Asia, they are not even an Asean member.
- komali2 3y agoYou're in for a treat - the tech scene here is phenomenal. First of all, obviously we have some of the best hardware engineers on the planet, but they all work at TSMC / nvidia and live in Hsinchu so those of us in Taipei never really get to hang out with them. If you're into it, there's a shitton of cryptocurrency companies and devs out here. TONS of gamedev companies, especially in the mobile market. The market is all over the place, we have some really god-tier engineers and then hordes of people building the worst websites on earth in Java / Spring or PHP. My favorite thing about tech here is the newly formed Ministry of Digital Affairs, headed by https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=audreyt https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=audreyt , who is quite famous in the FOSS world. You can just go to their office during open office hours and have a discussion with them if you want to talk about digital issues, as long as you agree to the conversation being published for anyone to watch. In line with that is the supremely awesome g0v: https://g0v.tw/intl/en/ https://g0v.tw/intl/en/ Their regular hackathons and slack server constitute an incredible community of tech-associated activists building all sorts of solutions to problems such as fake news (which is a huge problem in Taiwan due to CPC spies / saboteurs), illegal factories, civil defense, etc. If you're in gaoxiong, I highly recommend coming up to Taipei for the next hackathon! In taipei there's also lots of groups doing regular coworking meetups as well as self-study nights, in English. As for mandarin, I mean, take your pick, every university is chock full of clubs, not to mention meetup.com. I've been building a software engineering co-op to connect the really skilled english-speaking engineers here with gigs that are befitting their skill level, we're at https://508.dev https://508.dev .
- hackernews1134 3y agoHoping to start a thread talking about this. Anyone read Richter 10 by Arthur C Clarke. Where California broke away from the mainland. Think anything in our lifetime will ever match the prediction tech from the book? I know nothing about earthquakes. Hoping for a HN education!
- swader999 3y agoImpressive building codes there after looking at some of the video. I bet a plane could hit them and they'd still stand.
- _ache_ 3y agoOne must note that epicenter is in Hualien. The small city near the Taroko National Park. Which is know to be beautiful and subject to rock falls. I think it will be close tomorrow. There is also a power plant there but I guess it will be fine.> Edit: A lot of the victims are from rock falls. The others part are from falling building. It's really sad.
- yieldcrv 3y agoMy Taiwanese cab driver today in Los Angeles said the CCP made the earthquake Where can I read/watch more about the unfalsifiable theory on an otherwise natural process