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off topic, but how many actual non-extradition countries are there these days (for the US)? Even countries we have strained relationships with will extradite a

off topic, but how many actual non-extradition countries are there these days (for the US)? Even countries we have strained relationships with will extradite as part of a negotiation when it's convenient for them politically. Russia probably wouldn't have even kept Snowden if it wasn't state secrets he revealed. If it was just some random data breach they would have prisoner-swapped him for an oligarch caught money laundering elsewhere.

moopitydoop 3y ago
Our adversaries aren't going to extradite their citizens to the west. And obviously if it's a state-level actor they aren't going to extradite their own actors. As someone old enough to remember the tail end of the early hacker eras (e.g. Mitnick), I don't think anyone SHOULD be extradited over this, in particular if they're not being charged with actually using the exploit. Prosecute them where they live. Should they be prosecuted 193 times over in every state on Earth? What's the nexus? Github? Every server that installed the compromised xz utils? But you are right they will deport (not extradite) foreigners who are inconvenient to them or when it is politically expedient to do so, if the foreigners are a nuisance, or as part of a political negotiation or prisoner exchange. The whole "extradition treaties" meme is a misconception. You will only get extradited if you flee to a country where you are a citizen (even dual citizen), or the ability to assert citizenship/nationality there. A fugitive fleeing to a country without an extradition treaty is subject to deportation. Every country on earth reserves the right to deny entry to or deport foreign fugitives. They might choose not to if someone is found to be a refugee, subject to the death penalty in a non-death-penalty state, etc.
EasyMark 3y ago
Russia and China would never extradite for this, they would hire the people involved if they aren't already in their employ, and I wouldn't blame them. I'm not even sure if they could be charged with more than misdemeanor charges anyway.
cesarb 3y ago
> off topic, but how many actual non-extradition countries are there these days (for the US)? Several countries do not extradite their own citizens. For citizens of these countries, going back to their own home country would be enough.

moopitydoop 3y ago

Our adversaries aren't going to extradite their citizens to the west. And obviously if it's a state-level actor they aren't going to extradite their own actors. As someone old enough to remember the tail end of the early hacker eras (e.g. Mitnick), I don't think anyone SHOULD be extradited over this, in particular if they're not being charged with actually using the exploit. Prosecute them where they live. Should they be prosecuted 193 times over in every state on Earth? What's the nexus? Github? Every server that installed the compromised xz utils? But you are right they will deport (not extradite) foreigners who are inconvenient to them or when it is politically expedient to do so, if the foreigners are a nuisance, or as part of a political negotiation or prisoner exchange. The whole "extradition treaties" meme is a misconception. You will only get extradited if you flee to a country where you are a citizen (even dual citizen), or the ability to assert citizenship/nationality there. A fugitive fleeing to a country without an extradition treaty is subject to deportation. Every country on earth reserves the right to deny entry to or deport foreign fugitives. They might choose not to if someone is found to be a refugee, subject to the death penalty in a non-death-penalty state, etc.

EasyMark 3y ago

Russia and China would never extradite for this, they would hire the people involved if they aren't already in their employ, and I wouldn't blame them. I'm not even sure if they could be charged with more than misdemeanor charges anyway.

cesarb 3y ago

> off topic, but how many actual non-extradition countries are there these days (for the US)? Several countries do not extradite their own citizens. For citizens of these countries, going back to their own home country would be enough.