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Knee jerk reaction, see Brewster's reply: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1bswhdj/comment/kxm65da/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/

by numtel 3y ago

Knee jerk reaction, see Brewster's reply: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1bswhdj/comment/kxm65da/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1bswhdj/commen...

leotravis10 3y ago
That OP has every reason to be concerned if/when they lose this case. As mentioned, it opens the door to even more lawsuits (they're already fighting the record labels for instance) and I don't know if they can survive those. It's best to take action now and backup what you want than waiting until it's too late. The OP did post Brewster's response at the end of the post.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > it opens the door to even more lawsuits At least on HN, the principle mode I see them in is paywall circumvention. That’s tangible revenue to news organisations. I love the Archive’s mission, but they go about it in a risky way.
  - jsnell 3y ago
    That's not the Internet Archive (archive.org). The paywall circumvention links are at archive.is
notatoad 3y ago
i don't think you can say it's a kneejerk reaction. Brewster Khale's reply doesn't really address the concerns in the original post - if anything, it seems to validate those concerns. specifically: "The Archive is an ongoing evolution towards "What is a Library in the 21st Century going to be?"" seems to confirm that the internet archive's primary goal is not the continued preservation of the archive.
- TheTechRobo 3y ago
  That doesn't really confirm that, IMHO. The line before claims the opposite, in fact: "The Internet Archive has been around since 1996, and while that does not guarantee anything, it shows continuity of support and strong commitment to digital preservation with as much access as possible."
wink 3y ago
"stop relying ... SOLE ..." I don't think the OP is wrong by advocating more copies, they're not telling anyone to not fill up the IA (from a quick skim).

by numtel 3y ago

Knee jerk reaction, see Brewster's reply: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1bswhdj/comment/kxm65da/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1bswhdj/commen...

leotravis10 3y ago

That OP has every reason to be concerned if/when they lose this case. As mentioned, it opens the door to even more lawsuits (they're already fighting the record labels for instance) and I don't know if they can survive those. It's best to take action now and backup what you want than waiting until it's too late. The OP did post Brewster's response at the end of the post.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> it opens the door to even more lawsuits At least on HN, the principle mode I see them in is paywall circumvention. That’s tangible revenue to news organisations. I love the Archive’s mission, but they go about it in a risky way.
- jsnell 3y ago
  That's not the Internet Archive (archive.org). The paywall circumvention links are at archive.is

notatoad 3y ago

i don't think you can say it's a kneejerk reaction. Brewster Khale's reply doesn't really address the concerns in the original post - if anything, it seems to validate those concerns. specifically: "The Archive is an ongoing evolution towards "What is a Library in the 21st Century going to be?"" seems to confirm that the internet archive's primary goal is not the continued preservation of the archive.

TheTechRobo 3y ago
That doesn't really confirm that, IMHO. The line before claims the opposite, in fact: "The Internet Archive has been around since 1996, and while that does not guarantee anything, it shows continuity of support and strong commitment to digital preservation with as much access as possible."

wink 3y ago

"stop relying ... SOLE ..." I don't think the OP is wrong by advocating more copies, they're not telling anyone to not fill up the IA (from a quick skim).