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I recommend finding people who worked at Apple while Steve Jobs was around. He was more involved than just barking I want "An iPod, a phone, an internet mobile
by passwordoops 3y ago
I recommend finding people who worked at Apple while Steve Jobs was around. He was more involved than just barking I want "An iPod, a phone, an internet mobile communicator."
- Pxtl 3y agoYes, he was also haranguing and leaning on and verbally abusing Apple employees to get the most productivity out of them.
- b112 3y agoJust as everyone else did in the 80s. Judge people by the times they lived in, for you will be judged the same. (Without a doubt, something you think is OK, and everyone else does, will be seen as a horrible monstrosity by your descendants. It won't be something you can think of, and yet you'll be judged for it as a monster by some.)
- onion2k 3y agoBy all accounts Steve carried on managing the same way when he returned to Apple in 1997.
- bee_rider 3y agoHe was a pretty huge jerk to his wife and kid even by the standards of the day. He seems to have just not been a very nice guy. Jerks can invent interesting tech, right?
- buildsjets 3y agoEven in the 1980s, people who intentionally parked their unregistered Porches in handicapped spaces were considered monsters. Don't try to retcon Steve Jobs into something he was not. He was a brilliant scumbag.
- hobs 3y agoDon't forget that he leased them new continuously so that he always kept them unregistered and therefore wouldn't get ticketed!
- b112 3y agoA little voice in the back of my head, recalls something along the line of this. There are a mandated number of unassigned, non-employee dedicated handicapped parking spaces per overall building size/parking spaces. And that in some cases, there are far too many for the building/business's use case. An example? A shopping mall needs lots of handicapped parking spaces. Yet an office will assign close spots to employees with special needs, as the generic spots aren't for-use by employees. Thus there can be an excess of generic handicapped spots. There are only so many spots available close to the building, and Jobs would obviously take one. So by using one of the many never-to-be-used generic handicapped parking spaces, Jobs was saving a high value parking space with prime location. And also allowing others to have use of a close to door space, all without depriving any handicapped person of a place to park. It was a social hack, one he may have been quite proud of.
- hobs 3y agoHe did it at work, and justifying an asshole's behavior with some "social hack" explanation puts you squarely in the wrong my dude. Clearly the handicapped are taking too many resources and we need the billionaires to have some.
- ethagnawl 3y agoThe folks downvoting you would do well to listen to the recent _Behind the Bastards_ series about Steve Jobs.
- pjlegato 3y agoJobs' terrible attitude is at this point widely known, dissected and discussed to death here and everywhere else. Calling it out does not adding anything new or insightful to this discussion. His terrible attitude is also entirely orthogonal to his product management sensibility. The fact that he was a jerk does not mean he must be generally canceled and his unique product development theory and insight ignored. The two are not directly related, and it is possible to appreciate one while condemning the other.
- passwordoops 3y agoI didn't say he wasn't a jerk. Totally, and it wound up infecting every company after the iPhone success because that's the lesson people got from him - be an asshole and find success. Not the good part about being insightful, having good instincts, and seeing beyond user feedback to what people will actually want, etc. etc. I'm simply pointing out he's not the same category of non-technical founders being discussed in this post
- luxuryballs 3y agoYou have to be remarkably good to be able to afford being an asshole.
- Inf0s3c 3y agoTime and place play into this as well. We know a lot more about hardware and software development than we did even 10 years ago let alone 50. Those of us who came into tech in the last 20 years through today did not have as many unknown unknowns to stumble through. It’s all so much more streamlined. There inherently cannot be another Jobs or Gates in IT land same as there will never be another Christopher Columbus Idolizing the prior generation is a fools errand. The discovery phase is over. We get the maintenance phase
- cafard 3y agoWell, that or own the company.
- commandlinefan 3y agoSteve Jobs founded Apple. It revolutionized the world. They fired him, Apple became a joke. They hired him back, it revolutionized the world again. He died, and... they're becoming a joke again. Say whatever you like about the man, but whatever he did actually drove innovation like nobody else.
- mike_hearn 3y agoApple are becoming a joke? I must have missed that memo. That was certainly a possibility when Jobs died but you have to hand it to Tim Cook, Apple has drifted far less from its Jobs-era culture and style than many people predicted. It's been nearly a decade and a half since Cook took over, but Apple are still doing tremendously well. The Apple Vision Pro might not be the right category of product to go mass market, but none of the reviews suggest it is anything less than Jobsian in its attention to detail and overall approach. Compare that to the level of change between Ballmer-Nadella or Schmidt-Pichai. Apple has displayed remarkable constancy.
- dangus 3y agoI agree that Apple is a company that is doing quite well and making generally good products. However, I absolutely don’t think Steve Jobs would have let the Vision Pro in its current state sit on store shelves. I just can’t imagine him greenlighting a product so close to the prototyping stage, especially in an environment where Apple had zero urgency compared to the past.
- vaylian 3y ago> I just can’t imagine him greenlighting a product so close to the prototyping stage, especially in an environment where Apple had zero urgency compared to the past. And yet he launched the iPhone, which, in its first generation, didn't even let you install apps on it. The point is not to excel in all areas. The point is to excel in relevant areas where the competition can not easily catch up with you.
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- zelphirkalt 3y agoThis may be true. A lot of the things that fans ascribe to him though, have been invented elsewhere and then were copied, or bought. He was not the visionary inventor, that he is often believed to have been.
- bitexploder 3y agoTech titans like Jobs/Bezos/Gates are always part myth. Their reality is astounding enough, so we just smooth out the edges of their mythology :)