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> ...non-profit... no one can really stop you from skipping, but it would look bad on you No it won't. Unless you have obligations. > Along the same token, yo

by allarm 3y ago

> ...non-profit... no one can really stop you from skipping, but it would look bad on you No it won't. Unless you have obligations. > Along the same token, you obviously shouldn't steal from the non-profit, or say randomly beat up the customers/clients. That's unrelated, to say the least. You obviously shouldn't steal from anyone nor beat up anyone, that's not related to this specific case at all. > Just because you are doing things for free does not mean you don't have social responsibility for your actions. No. No one forced the society to use the work that somebody was doing for free. And if society decided that it's fine to use it, it's on the society to take the associated risks. Everything else is a good will of the maintainer.

xign 3y ago
The stealing part is related because in this case, his project is "stealing" (or injecting a backdoor"). Does that make the analogy clearer? To be exact, he didn't do it specifically, but the non-profit is usually locked but he unlocked the door to let someone in and that person ended up stealing from the non-profit. I really don't understand why people do not see that if you cause a giant mess, you have some responsibility to clean up after yourself. Again, I'm not saying that they should be obligated to do work. But this isn't "working". This is cleaning up an issue that you have caused. > No. No one forced the society to use the work that somebody was doing for free. And if society decided that it's fine to use it, it's on the society to take the associated risks. Everything else is a good will of the maintainer. If I voluntarily baked a cake for you for free because I was nice and I mistakenly poisoned you, would you say "Oh i decided to take the risk of eating your cake anyway, not your fault"? I didn't have to bake the cake. But since I decided to, I have basic obligations including not putting poison in it.
- allarm 3y ago
  You are confusing legal and societal obligations, again. OpenSource maintainers and coders don’t owe you anything, so please stop pretending that they do.
  - xign 3y ago
    I'm not confused about it. I never said Collin is legally liable to help. I'm talking about societal obligations here. Just because you do something for free doesn't mean your actions don't have consequences.
    - allarm 3y ago
      Yes you are, when talking about the poisoned cake. Poisoning it is a crime. > because you do something for free doesn't mean your actions don't have consequences. Of course there are consequences - society is a closed system. Though it doesn’t give you ANY right to demand anything from the person who you didn’t pay to, directly or indirectly. Stop juggling the facts and whining, no one owes you anything, as I already said.

by allarm 3y ago

xign 3y ago

The stealing part is related because in this case, his project is "stealing" (or injecting a backdoor"). Does that make the analogy clearer? To be exact, he didn't do it specifically, but the non-profit is usually locked but he unlocked the door to let someone in and that person ended up stealing from the non-profit. I really don't understand why people do not see that if you cause a giant mess, you have some responsibility to clean up after yourself. Again, I'm not saying that they should be obligated to do work. But this isn't "working". This is cleaning up an issue that you have caused. > No. No one forced the society to use the work that somebody was doing for free. And if society decided that it's fine to use it, it's on the society to take the associated risks. Everything else is a good will of the maintainer. If I voluntarily baked a cake for you for free because I was nice and I mistakenly poisoned you, would you say "Oh i decided to take the risk of eating your cake anyway, not your fault"? I didn't have to bake the cake. But since I decided to, I have basic obligations including not putting poison in it.

allarm 3y ago
You are confusing legal and societal obligations, again. OpenSource maintainers and coders don’t owe you anything, so please stop pretending that they do.
- xign 3y ago
  I'm not confused about it. I never said Collin is legally liable to help. I'm talking about societal obligations here. Just because you do something for free doesn't mean your actions don't have consequences.
  - allarm 3y ago
    Yes you are, when talking about the poisoned cake. Poisoning it is a crime. > because you do something for free doesn't mean your actions don't have consequences. Of course there are consequences - society is a closed system. Though it doesn’t give you ANY right to demand anything from the person who you didn’t pay to, directly or indirectly. Stop juggling the facts and whining, no one owes you anything, as I already said.