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Omg I truly want to be respectful in my reply. But... just... I need to communicate to you that this logic is so messed up. Just because systems of capital want

by patcon 3y ago

Omg I truly want to be respectful in my reply. But... just... I need to communicate to you that this logic is so messed up. Just because systems of capital want something from us, that does NOT mean that we must provide it. We don't need to allow a social context where a child must work harder to survive or support their family -- we can, and should, reject that premise. If the household is failing in that way, we need to ask how we elevate that household. Social welfare exists to protect ppl from the exact sort of thing you are arguing permission to indulge. There's no lack of wealth in this country, it's just been captured and is distributed massively unequally in fucked up ways.

busterarm 3y ago
Unfortunately in this society a lot of people look to screw each other over for a payday. If I have a retail business I likely can't be there every single minute that it's open. There's no incentives for me to hire someone who I can get massively fined for if I don't make sure they clock out when they're supposed to and go home on time. It's literally just not worth the hassle to worry about. It's similar to why people in Texas with tree farms don't hire US citizens. It's not because they're trying to pay illegals less money -- in fact the ones that I know pay well but still hire illegals -- it's because every time they hire a US citizen two weeks into the job they "accidentally" cut the tip of their pinky finger off with a hedge trimmer and file a worker's compensation lawsuit. One nursery I know had this happen to them _dozens_ of times. It's unfortunate that the world works this way but running a business is fraught with risk and most smart business owners want to avoid hassle and turnover (teenagers in jobs are fickle and do things like blow off work -- I sure did). You only hire the cheapest labor if you literally have no other choice.

by patcon 3y ago

busterarm 3y ago

Unfortunately in this society a lot of people look to screw each other over for a payday. If I have a retail business I likely can't be there every single minute that it's open. There's no incentives for me to hire someone who I can get massively fined for if I don't make sure they clock out when they're supposed to and go home on time. It's literally just not worth the hassle to worry about. It's similar to why people in Texas with tree farms don't hire US citizens. It's not because they're trying to pay illegals less money -- in fact the ones that I know pay well but still hire illegals -- it's because every time they hire a US citizen two weeks into the job they "accidentally" cut the tip of their pinky finger off with a hedge trimmer and file a worker's compensation lawsuit. One nursery I know had this happen to them _dozens_ of times. It's unfortunate that the world works this way but running a business is fraught with risk and most smart business owners want to avoid hassle and turnover (teenagers in jobs are fickle and do things like blow off work -- I sure did). You only hire the cheapest labor if you literally have no other choice.