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I’m in Alabama and it seems like we’re actively working to make the education system worse so we can use the kids to replace the immigrant laborers who are leav

I’m in Alabama and it seems like we’re actively working to make the education system worse so we can use the kids to replace the immigrant laborers who are leaving.

dinkumthinkum 3y ago
That’s not true. In what way could that be true? I think people forget there are these things called parents. This is not sone kind of forced labor or dawn of industrial age coal mine situation or something like that. There’s nothing wrong with kids doing some work under the guidance of their parents. As far as the “education system,” this is largely a function of parents as well.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  Children being maimed in factory labor is unfortunate but it's the fault of their parents. We merely created the crushing economic pressure that made it necessary for their children to work and removed the legal obstacles to the factory hiring them. Ultimately this is a matter of personal responsibility, like every other bad thing we caused to happen.
- stuaxo 3y ago
  There have always been parents, including when kids worked in mines or up chimneys.
  - dinkumthinkum 3y ago
    The situation in the US now is very different from the dawn of the industrial age. You really parents are going to have to ship their kids off to coal mines and Soviet style factories? People can downvote all they want but they are not living in reality if they think that.
    - bobmcnamara 3y ago
      I'm from the Midwest. Poor folks ship their kids off to clean the pork plants and slaughterhouses on the night shift. Cargill and JBS were some of the worst. It was easy to tell in school, they were dead tired and stunk of bleach. > The situation in the US now is very different from the dawn of the industrial age. Different for many, and different for you, but not for all.
      - busterarm 3y ago
        People act like we left this all behind hundreds of years ago but child labor didn't really end as standard practice even in densely urban environments until the Great Depression...
      - red-iron-pine 3y ago
        I believe it. A kid died about a year ago while working in a poultry plant. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/slaughterhouse-children-documentary-rcna129405 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/slaughterhouse-children...
        bobmcnamara 3y ago
        Every time its heartbreaking. I'm glad they're covering this in the news at least though.
    - nl 3y ago
      > The situation in the US now is very different from the dawn of the industrial age. You really parents are going to have to ship their kids off to coal mines and Soviet style factories? Genuine question: why do you think they wouldn't? These days of course they are called Amazon warehouses or non-union car factories or industrial slaughterhouses but the point is still the same.
    - patcon 3y ago
      Yeah, but there are modern equivalents of that period's parental negligence and collective failure. We have contemporary versions of the exploitation of mines and factories. If mines and factories were what we recognize (from today's perspective) as abuse in that industrial economy, what do you suspect are the current places that might need protection in the today's economy?
- hollywood_court 3y ago
  I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic and trolling or if you really believe that. Please look at any number of recent news headlines regarding Alabama and how our education systems and libraries and such are regressing. It’s becoming dangerous for educators even teach basic reproductive safety to our students.
  - dinkumthinkum 3y ago
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    - djbusby 3y ago
      This site al.com has some articles about events down south that might be of interest.
- Frost1x 3y ago
  Labor can be forced through many different mechanisms. What matters ultimately is just how much flexibility one has to not work or how many necessary things needed for surviving depends on actively working. Everything else are just levels of choice of flexibility within working, but you still for all functional purposes need to work. There’s a whole lot of illusion of choice we like to give people anymore.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 3y ago
  I already shared this link once but you should read it to. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/11/us-child-labor-laws-violations https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/11/us-child-lab...

I’m in Alabama and it seems like we’re actively working to make the education system worse so we can use the kids to replace the immigrant laborers who are leaving.

dinkumthinkum 3y ago

That’s not true. In what way could that be true? I think people forget there are these things called parents. This is not sone kind of forced labor or dawn of industrial age coal mine situation or something like that. There’s nothing wrong with kids doing some work under the guidance of their parents. As far as the “education system,” this is largely a function of parents as well.

giraffe_lady 3y ago
Children being maimed in factory labor is unfortunate but it's the fault of their parents. We merely created the crushing economic pressure that made it necessary for their children to work and removed the legal obstacles to the factory hiring them. Ultimately this is a matter of personal responsibility, like every other bad thing we caused to happen.
stuaxo 3y ago
There have always been parents, including when kids worked in mines or up chimneys.
- dinkumthinkum 3y ago
  The situation in the US now is very different from the dawn of the industrial age. You really parents are going to have to ship their kids off to coal mines and Soviet style factories? People can downvote all they want but they are not living in reality if they think that.
  - bobmcnamara 3y ago
    I'm from the Midwest. Poor folks ship their kids off to clean the pork plants and slaughterhouses on the night shift. Cargill and JBS were some of the worst. It was easy to tell in school, they were dead tired and stunk of bleach. > The situation in the US now is very different from the dawn of the industrial age. Different for many, and different for you, but not for all.
    - busterarm 3y ago
      People act like we left this all behind hundreds of years ago but child labor didn't really end as standard practice even in densely urban environments until the Great Depression...
    - red-iron-pine 3y ago
      I believe it. A kid died about a year ago while working in a poultry plant. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/slaughterhouse-children-documentary-rcna129405 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/slaughterhouse-children...
      - bobmcnamara 3y ago
        Every time its heartbreaking. I'm glad they're covering this in the news at least though.
  - nl 3y ago
    > The situation in the US now is very different from the dawn of the industrial age. You really parents are going to have to ship their kids off to coal mines and Soviet style factories? Genuine question: why do you think they wouldn't? These days of course they are called Amazon warehouses or non-union car factories or industrial slaughterhouses but the point is still the same.
  - patcon 3y ago
    Yeah, but there are modern equivalents of that period's parental negligence and collective failure. We have contemporary versions of the exploitation of mines and factories. If mines and factories were what we recognize (from today's perspective) as abuse in that industrial economy, what do you suspect are the current places that might need protection in the today's economy?
hollywood_court 3y ago
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic and trolling or if you really believe that. Please look at any number of recent news headlines regarding Alabama and how our education systems and libraries and such are regressing. It’s becoming dangerous for educators even teach basic reproductive safety to our students.
- dinkumthinkum 3y ago
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  - djbusby 3y ago
    This site al.com has some articles about events down south that might be of interest.
Frost1x 3y ago
Labor can be forced through many different mechanisms. What matters ultimately is just how much flexibility one has to not work or how many necessary things needed for surviving depends on actively working. Everything else are just levels of choice of flexibility within working, but you still for all functional purposes need to work. There’s a whole lot of illusion of choice we like to give people anymore.
Red_Leaves_Flyy 3y ago
I already shared this link once but you should read it to. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/11/us-child-labor-laws-violations https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/11/us-child-lab...