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Unraveling Havana syndrome: New evidence implicates the GRU's assassination unit
- elfbargpt 3y agoInteresting. If this is true, would love to see what these "sound and radio frequency-based directed energy devices" look like. Could be pretty dangerous if they're easy to produce.
- dilyevsky 3y ago> Could be pretty dangerous if they're easy to produce Perhaps why this has been suppressed for as long as it has
- Spooky23 3y agohttps://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA565971.pdf https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA565971.pdf Check out the “active denial system”.
- tim333 3y agoThere are a number of tutorials on making microwave guns/weapons on youtube. For better or worse they only seem to test them on things like circuit breakers rather than embassies. eg https://youtu.be/80kDn4vit_w?t=485 https://youtu.be/80kDn4vit_w?t=485
- neoromantique 3y agoDoubt this will get any traction, as if confirmed it would constitute an act of war.
- bas 3y agoThis was the lead story on 60 Minutes tonight, right after the final Elite Eight game of March Madness. Increased visibility, at least.
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- lostlogin 3y agoMore or less so than murdering foreign nationals on foreign soil? Eg Salisbury poisonings. Given Russia already does that, is this, this doesn’t seem a massive escalation.
- dralley 3y agoOr blowing up Czech ammunition depots.
- Julesman 3y agohttps://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/18/us/politics/havana-syndrome-brain-studies-nih.html#:~:text=New%20studies%20by%20the%20National,about%20the%20strange%20health%20incidents https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/18/us/politics/havana-syndro.... "New Studies Find No Evidence of Brain Injury in Havana Syndrome Cases" This story is from two weeks ago. So which is it?
- dilyevsky 3y agoJust means they failed to find evidence with the information they had access to (which sounds like not a lot) > Dr. David Relman, a prominent scientist who has had access to the classified files involving the cases and representatives of people suffering from Havana syndrome, said the new studies were flawed. Many brain injuries are difficult to detect with scans or blood markers, he said.
- pessimizer 3y agoIt also doesn't mean that unicorns don't exist.
- pessimizer 3y agoIt's a bunch of money being spent on on a silly story by three outlets who hoped they'd be fed enough nonsense by three letter agencies to dominate the news cycle with it for a week or two, being frontrun by a comprehensive study showing, yet again, that nothing happened to these people. So they rushed this out. If anybody finds any factual claims about this device and this supposed syndrome, buried in the innuendo, please post it. But the boldfaced faux-abstract at the top doesn't indicate any new information at all.
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- dmix 3y agoIt wouldn't be surprising if the CIA knows or suspects as much but they are protecting some other, possible long held, classified tech. That is usually the priority and given it was gov workers/families then it may have been deemed worth keeping it quiet. Otherwise there's little incentive to not find another reason to go after Russia. Hell, Russia just brutally killed a traitor in Spain and did the opposite of trying to hide who did it. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/31/world/europe/russian-defector-murder-spain.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/31/world/europe/russian-defe... I'm curious what Spain will take any real consequences or it will just be some marginal outrage like in Canada w/ the Indian gov hit job, then just kind of falling out of the news cycle and everyone forgets.
- 2Gkashmiri 3y agoLike Saddam and Gaddafi for oil and feeding the military industrial complex. Sure Russia all the way
- AtlasBarfed 3y agoOil isn't worth invasions anymore. We have shale oil in the Bakken, and EVs / alt energy / decarbonization will make it much less important. Think about if you'd fund a major new oil project. Most don't get going for 5-10 years, meanwhile there is an army of investment and forthcoming techs in EV batteries and perovskites in solar. A war is big money. Yeah, it's not the shadow corporation's money, but the Washington people do some math too, it will bring temporary high gas prices and war isn't popular. It's why all the "invade Iran!!!" stories have fallen flat in the last 4-5 years, they get laughed out of the building.
- flextheruler 3y agoWe’ve been a net exporter of oil since the 1970s, but global oil price is massively important. Think of how much is made and transported using petroleum. Your argument is missing how important oil price stability is to fuel consumer and industrial consumption.
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- Synaesthesia 3y agoHavana Syndrome. So what is it exactly? Nobody really knows, nor do we know what causes it. So called "anomolous health incidents" Are they caused by pesticides, toxins, ultrasound, microwave weapons? Are the Russians behind this? Or maybe it's psychogenic in nature? >in 2022, psychogenic explanations became predominant, for several reasons: no known weapons that could cause only the reported symptoms, no evidence of hostile attacks, the spread to numerous unrelated locations, and absence of damage to brain or body.[20][4][21] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havana_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havana_syndrome
- tedivm 3y agoThis article mentions multiple people with traumatic brain injuries, backed up by neurosurgeons. That isn't psychogenic, that's is pretty physical. The article even addresses that. > There is a reason why the Havana Act only came into force in 2021: for the past eight years, Havana Syndrome has been the subject of intense controversy. Sociologists have suggested it is little more than a mass psychogenic illness, or perhaps the outbreak of mass hysteria. Such arguments have been undercut by multiple medical studies, including one conducted by an expert panel convened by the U.S. intelligence community. The final assessment of that investigation found that AHIs had “a unique combination of core characteristics that cannot be explained by known environmental or medical conditions and could be due to external stimuli.”
- MattGaiser 3y agoThe traumatic brain injuries part is disputed. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/havana-syndrome-nih-study-1.7147124 https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/havana-syndrome-nih-study-1.71... US intelligence community says they are there, the NIH does not seem to agree. The NIH doesn't dispute a possible weapon, just that there is visible brain damage.
- refulgentis 3y agoI know nothing, at all, and am probably trivially wrong. But their symptoms remind me vaguely of concussions in the NFL, and my understanding is, there is no way to find out if someone has CTE until after they're dead. So I find it somewhat distasteful that the NIH brain scans were/are cited as a proof one way or the other. I'm probably completely wrong on a possible hidden injury, and the "cited as proof" I'm complaining about is almost certainly that it was dryly included in a report, that they tried some scans, that didn't have any positive results: and that, of course, is the right tone and absolutely should be included in the report.
- yuptheygotit 3y agoIn 2012 I was hiking in Oahu, Hawaii not far from Downtown. When I entered this dense bamboo forest. I suddenly felt this huge desire to go to sleep and literally fell asleep by a rock for what seemed like ages but lasted only a few minutes. I woke up and was searching for my hiking partner which reappeared shortly after.
- pfdietz 3y agoNarcolepsy?
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- noduerme 3y agoThis reminds me of a pivotal plot device in "Kafka on the Shore". Did you wake up without your shadow?
- eth0up 3y agoPoetic license requested... It does seem, and not too unrealistically so, a daunting prospect that one could theoretically have their melon remotely roasted if its innerds or deeds defied the right wrong lofty authority -- a slightly more deleterious variation of Van Eckery, or worse. Improbable perhaps, but shirtainly nay impossible. Remember this? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/new-york-xray-muslim-harm-plot-sentenced-30-years-latest-a7485356.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/new-york-x... Edit: -∞ fucktards
- alekseiprokopev 3y agoThe are so many crazy things happening in my country so when I read the titles like this from a reputable source, I just believe them even on the April Fools.
- huytersd 3y agotheins.ru is a reputable source?
- ruthie_cohen 3y agoCristo Grozev from Bellingcat is a reliable source, yes. As are Der Spiegel and 60 minutes.
- r721 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Insider_(website) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Insider_(website)
- declan_roberts 3y agoThis story is unbelievable to me. It leaves way too many unexplained conclusions. Russia wants to kill US diplomats (why? All of them? Some of them? One of them?) so rather than doing some botched robbery or fake suicide... they invent a "direct energy weapon" to kill them? Or maybe they're researching this cool new direct energy weapon and they decide to test it out on... US diplomats? You'd think they could pick a less conspicuous target to test out their assassination laser beams. Definitely withholding judgement until we learn more.
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- dralley 3y agoWhat is your definition of "demonize"? The "balloon incident" was the exact opposite of hyped by the government, they kept it (and all the previous incidents) completely quiet until some rando with a telescope tweeted a picture of it and the media picked up the story. And Russia's leaders repeatedly and openly declare their hostile intentions towards "the west" on a near-daily basis, they've been implicated in assassinations and attempted assassinations using chemical and radiological weapons on Western soil, have blown up arms depots in Czechia and Bulgaria resulting in deaths, frequently "question the statehood" of their neighbors including not just Ukraine but Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, have state media run pieces where they threaten to nuke the UK, etc.
- zrn900 3y ago> What is your definition of "demonize"? This: https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/china-news/21091-a-500-million-dollar-business-america-s-state-sponsored-anti-china-propaganda.html https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/china-news/21091-a-500-million-... Leading to things like this: https://i.imgur.com/2pJlIK3.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/2pJlIK3.jpeg > the media picked up the story That's how the nonexistent Iraqi WMDs were sold - by the entire media repeating the State Dept. talking points for years. Manufacturing consent at its finest. > And Russia's leaders repeatedly and openly declare their hostile intentions towards "the west" They have warned about nato expansion and the overt, publicized plans of US think tanks and policymakers about destroying Russia for two decades. When the US came to their door, they put their foot down. The US policymakers are STILL talking about how they WILL destroy Russia. All of that talk is a violation of Article 51 of the UN and gives a casus belli to any country targeted in that manner. > frequently "question the statehood" of their neighbors including not just Ukraine but Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania The US published a map to divide Russia into regions years ago. Russia started talking about Ukraine's statehood after the peace attempts were foiled by the Bojo clown and it turned out that the Russian-speaking regions have no chance of existing as equal citizens in a united Ukraine as they changed the freaking constitution to ban the Russian language and declare them 2nd class people. Russia doesn't question the statehood of the baltic countries - it says that they made them actual countries. So you are literally making things up by deriving on US propaganda. > not to mention literally flying cruise missiles over NATO territory to attack Ukraine... The lack of info and arrogance is overwhelming. Its worse than how it was in 2003. Its Nato who went to Ukraine. Not Russia who went to Mexico. This is without talking about how the CIA had been training neonazis since 1991. The people who support a country that has been publishing and then implementing policy about how to destroy a country are talking about the 'aggression' from the targeted country. The bully is the victim. Meanwhile that same bully is already spending $500 million to demonize the NEXT target as its supporters still buy into the propaganda as willingly as they did in 2003. Except this time, the targets have nuclear weapons. You people are literally worse than how the Americans were in 2003 and desperately need to listen to some Chomsky. He has the patience to explain things. I don't.
- foverzar 3y agoRuskies under the bad, 21 century edition. I just can't with this scapegoat culture. Havana syndrome is almost a 10 years old meme, but since we are at war with Russia, let's randomly rope in GRU, totally coincidently.
- tim333 3y agoRussia: microwaving embassies since 1953 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Signal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Signal Not that the modern caring sharing Russians who tried to bring peace to Bucha and got awards for it would do such a thing.
- foverzar 3y ago> The Moscow Signal was a reported microwave transmission varying between 2.5 and 4 gigahertz Evil Russians using wi-fi frequencies. > Bucha The one where they were totally shooting themselves with artillery (according to the Guardian) and executed people who were collaborating with them (white armbands)? Uh-huh, sure.
- Giorgi 3y agoYeah, hacker news is going to have meltdown over this, last time most upvoted comment was about "It was crickets". I guess Russian shills are working hard.
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- etc-hosts 3y agoDo you believe Michael Weiss or the National Institutes Of Health? https://apnews.com/article/havana-syndrome-diplomat-health-brain-ea64e5c59d57e44a19aab40ac1b91e0d https://apnews.com/article/havana-syndrome-diplomat-health-b...
- 1oooqooq 3y agomost interesting part of the whole article is how a journalist was able to track a Russian mobile telephone being turned on or off in several countries with such fine grained precision of dates and time