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It’s fairly easy to point at things that have annoyed customers that they call features, like missing wheel stalks and poor autowipers

Flyer4637 3y ago
The autowipers are so bad on my 3 lol. I have to manually toggle them.
speedgoose 3y ago
The CEO too. I know a few people who refuse to buy a Tesla because of him. People buy Volskwagen, Porsche, Ford or Renault cars without thinking about the actions of the previous people attached to the manufacturer.
- fred_is_fred 3y ago
  Your friends have a point. Volkswagen to my knowledge isn't currently actively spreading conspiracy theories or boosting the voices of fascists.
  - Eddy_Viscosity2 3y ago
    There was the whole diesel-gate thing with volkswagen which was pretty shadey.
    - speedgoose 3y ago
      And the whole Nazi history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen#History
      - fred_is_fred 3y ago
        Yes I am aware. Henry Ford was also problematic. There's a difference between present day which will impact my life and the lives of my kids and something that is 80 years old. I have gay family members and a daughter and I worry about what this election cycle will do to both. VW isn't going to change that, Musk might.
  - gnfargbl 3y ago
    Even more importantly from a strictly business point of view, the CEO of VAG isn't telling his engineers to make the customer experience significantly worse to save $50 of parts on a $50k vehicle.
    - speedgoose 3y ago
      VW is saving money on stupid things on their vehicles. Hard plastics, terrible buttons on the steering wheel, tiny screens and bad sound systems on the default models to invite you to pay more…
      - CamperBob2 3y ago
        Bad sound systems... wow, yeah, that's right up there with building gas vans.
- vkou 3y ago
  People also do things like travel to and buy products from Germany without thinking about the actions of the previous people running that country. One difference is that a man in the high castle is running Tesla today. (...Not that I have a lot of love and goodwill for other industrialists in the general.)
- CamperBob2 3y ago
  Nobody currently working at VW/Porsche worked for Hitler, and nobody currently working at Ford helped Henry run the presses for his antisemitic pamphlets. So that's a nonissue. What did Renault's founder do? Hadn't heard about that.
  - andrewinardeer 3y ago
    VW was involved in a colossal emissions con.
    - Ekaros 3y ago
      As consumer I always wondered, were the cars worse for it? Or were they actually better, if I don't consider emissions critical in my decision making process.
      - ahakki 3y ago
        They were better.
  - orwin 3y ago
    Renault was collaborating during ww2, and built trucks for nazis. Female workers got their head shaved at the liberation (male workers got out OK though, funny how things works), and Renault got nationalized, and was under state control for the 4cv, 4l and r5/r6/r8/r11/r19/r21 models, as well as the 'moteur F', still used in the 2010s. Its director was assassinated by a far right commando also (I think the killers got out early 2000s, the story is quite interesting).
darth_avocado 3y ago
The biggest problem has been that they stopped innovating ever since the CEO decided his focus was needed more on an app he found mildly annoying that he ended up buying accidentally because he couldn’t contain his bravado. Model 3 and Model Y era had the momentum they needed and instead of focusing on expanding to other segments or offering more range of models, they decided they needed an impractical truck. They could be building bespoke 500k luxury cars with Rolls Royce or a 30k hatchback or a 40k crossover.
- krapp 3y ago
  You really believe all of the innovation at Tesla was being done by Musk? The cybertruck was his baby.
  - r00fus 3y ago
    The point is a CEO can almost certainly derail a company despite not being fully or even partially responsible for previous innovative products.
    - darth_avocado 3y ago
      That was my point. The ceo dictates where the resources are allocated and what direction the company needs to go in. Elon especially hates to delegate, which makes it hard to keep doing new things if he’s not around. Add to it the fact that Elon literally took key Tesla and SpaceX engineering & staff to make Twitter work, definitely makes sure Tesla wasn’t continuing to innovate.

Flyer4637 3y ago

The autowipers are so bad on my 3 lol. I have to manually toggle them.

speedgoose 3y ago

The CEO too. I know a few people who refuse to buy a Tesla because of him. People buy Volskwagen, Porsche, Ford or Renault cars without thinking about the actions of the previous people attached to the manufacturer.

fred_is_fred 3y ago
Your friends have a point. Volkswagen to my knowledge isn't currently actively spreading conspiracy theories or boosting the voices of fascists.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 3y ago
  There was the whole diesel-gate thing with volkswagen which was pretty shadey.
  - speedgoose 3y ago
    And the whole Nazi history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen#History
    - fred_is_fred 3y ago
      Yes I am aware. Henry Ford was also problematic. There's a difference between present day which will impact my life and the lives of my kids and something that is 80 years old. I have gay family members and a daughter and I worry about what this election cycle will do to both. VW isn't going to change that, Musk might.
- gnfargbl 3y ago
  Even more importantly from a strictly business point of view, the CEO of VAG isn't telling his engineers to make the customer experience significantly worse to save $50 of parts on a $50k vehicle.
  - speedgoose 3y ago
    VW is saving money on stupid things on their vehicles. Hard plastics, terrible buttons on the steering wheel, tiny screens and bad sound systems on the default models to invite you to pay more…
    - CamperBob2 3y ago
      Bad sound systems... wow, yeah, that's right up there with building gas vans.
vkou 3y ago
People also do things like travel to and buy products from Germany without thinking about the actions of the previous people running that country. One difference is that a man in the high castle is running Tesla today. (...Not that I have a lot of love and goodwill for other industrialists in the general.)
CamperBob2 3y ago
Nobody currently working at VW/Porsche worked for Hitler, and nobody currently working at Ford helped Henry run the presses for his antisemitic pamphlets. So that's a nonissue. What did Renault's founder do? Hadn't heard about that.
- andrewinardeer 3y ago
  VW was involved in a colossal emissions con.
  - Ekaros 3y ago
    As consumer I always wondered, were the cars worse for it? Or were they actually better, if I don't consider emissions critical in my decision making process.
    - ahakki 3y ago
      They were better.
- orwin 3y ago
  Renault was collaborating during ww2, and built trucks for nazis. Female workers got their head shaved at the liberation (male workers got out OK though, funny how things works), and Renault got nationalized, and was under state control for the 4cv, 4l and r5/r6/r8/r11/r19/r21 models, as well as the 'moteur F', still used in the 2010s. Its director was assassinated by a far right commando also (I think the killers got out early 2000s, the story is quite interesting).

darth_avocado 3y ago

The biggest problem has been that they stopped innovating ever since the CEO decided his focus was needed more on an app he found mildly annoying that he ended up buying accidentally because he couldn’t contain his bravado. Model 3 and Model Y era had the momentum they needed and instead of focusing on expanding to other segments or offering more range of models, they decided they needed an impractical truck. They could be building bespoke 500k luxury cars with Rolls Royce or a 30k hatchback or a 40k crossover.

krapp 3y ago
You really believe all of the innovation at Tesla was being done by Musk? The cybertruck was his baby.
- r00fus 3y ago
  The point is a CEO can almost certainly derail a company despite not being fully or even partially responsible for previous innovative products.
  - darth_avocado 3y ago
    That was my point. The ceo dictates where the resources are allocated and what direction the company needs to go in. Elon especially hates to delegate, which makes it hard to keep doing new things if he’s not around. Add to it the fact that Elon literally took key Tesla and SpaceX engineering & staff to make Twitter work, definitely makes sure Tesla wasn’t continuing to innovate.