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the 9-5 is dead. My hours are more like 8-2 or 9-1. Sometimes I log off after lunch. Remote work is awesome. No more dealing with impatient dick heads on the
by xyst 3y ago
the 9-5 is dead.
My hours are more like 8-2 or 9-1. Sometimes I log off after lunch.
Remote work is awesome. No more dealing with impatient dick heads on the road. No more contributing to the destruction of the local environment via tail pipe emissions or tire wear particles. More importantly more time to spend with family, friends, or personal projects. Overall happiness is increased.
I’ll never understand the reasonings behind forced RTO. Is it a hidden financial gain for CEOs to fill the offices? Is it a false flag op to “appease” stock holders (“hey guys pandemic over, we are working to returning to normal. Pardon any poor quarterly results for the year”)?
Leaked Amazon doc shows reduced physical office footprint saved company billions.
All data is showing forced RTO policies are counter intuitive and counter productive.
- mooreds 3y ago> My hours are more like 8-2 or 9-1. Sometimes I log off after lunch. > I'll never understand the reasonings behind forced RTO. Uh, the first excerpt might help answer the question you pose in the second.
- PessimalDecimal 3y agoOnly if we assume companies can't measure employees' productivity and output, only their hours of butt-in-chair. Is that true?
- xyst 3y agoI don’t understand. All work is completed for the day (or even the next couple of days…). What’s the point of staying logged into a computer staring at nothing?
- constantcrying 3y agoYou are literally defrauding your employer. The fact that you should be available, but aren't, alone is enough to make sure of that.
- xyst 3y ago“Defrauding my employer” — a bit dramatic, buddy. You must be a micromanager. You know what’s also “fraudulent”? Wasting my time. Time I will never get back. Time that you can never buy. Time that I will never spend with family/friends. I will never get back the hours lost to commuting to a stupid office. Who’s “defrauding” who at this point?
- constantcrying 3y ago>a bit dramatic, buddy. No. It is factually true. You refuse to meet your contractual obligations towards your employer, but represent to him that you have met them. That absolutely is "fraud". >You know what’s also “fraudulent”? Wasting my time. No it isn't. It is not fraud to waste your time. >Who’s “defrauding” who at this point? You are defrauding your employer. Lying to your employer about the time you work is fraud. Your employer wasting your time does not under any circumstances count as fraud. In fact you signed a contract which explicitly allows your employer to tell you what to do with your time, including telling you to waste it e.g. by sitting in front of a PC waiting for someone to talk to you about something. If you don't like what he tells you to do you have options, but refusing to work and representing to him that you have worked is not an option you have, without commiting fraud. There is no world in which you are not committing fraud. And there is no world in which your employer is defrauding you.
- vundercind 3y agoThis is a good point. Wasting lots of people’s time is quite a bit worse than completing all your work to your employer’s satisfaction but not twiddling your thumbs for a few extra hours, so we shouldn’t use the same terms for the two things.
- constantcrying 3y agoThen dissolve your contract.
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- api 3y agoYeah nobody ever goofed off in the office. Never happened. Honestly if this person does all their work and does it well and just works really fast, that’s great. I’d keep them. Performance matters not hours. If they’re fucking around and underperforming they’ll eventually get laid off. Don’t see how their work location matters that much either way. Someone who sucks at home probably sucks in an office too.
- throwaway5959 3y agoI don’t even necessarily like my coworkers, but the idea of spending five days a week not leaving my house except for in the evenings just isn’t appealing to me. Two or three days in the office is the sweet spot, for me anyway.
- xyst 3y agoThis is why I moved to the city instead of buying a piece of shit sfh out in the burbs. walk to my fav pub, and fuck around. Or even better take a walk around the city parks and enjoy the views in the middle of the day. Maybe even get more exercise in for the day or walk the dog.
- mdgrech23 3y agoHonestly cities are great, cars kind of suck though
- throwaway5959 3y agoSure, and I love going out in the evenings like I said. But it’s just weird to me that people want to just stay home all day and only go out in the evening every weekday.
- vundercind 3y agoI think for a lot of people “going out” when it’s to the office isn’t exactly a good thing. Like being at home isn’t somehow less pleasant than that. Neither’s “going out”. And depending on your job you can go out to actual normal non-forced social spaces while working “from home”, some of the time.
- shepherdjerred 3y agoI hate WFH, but I love my employer. I tend to go to a coffee shop most days for a few hours. Some days I'll go to a public library, or a co-working space. As a young, single person, staying at home for 4-6 hours every day is soul sucking. I can see it being very appealing to anyone with a family, though.
- vundercind 3y agoThe office I’m at receives significant tax benefits from meeting targets for person-days in the office per year. This is a pretty common arrangement, I think. [edit] in fact, at certain times they’ve had to shift workers around when new buildings have been completed to meet occupancy targets for whatever benefits they’re getting, before they have enough new hires or transfers to really use the space. Just shuffling people a few hundred meters away so the compliance forms have the right numbers. Total joke.
- ctrw 3y agoThe most ridiculous make work rule I've ever had was being forced to use objects instead of functions because it was apparently easier to claim oop code as capex than fp code.
- tripdout 3y agoHow do you do that? Are you able to complete all your tasks in just over half the time? Aren't there meetings after lunch. What about coworkers trying to contact you during (the rest of) their workday.
- jimbob45 3y agoYou’re not paid for 9-5 hours. You’re paid to get the job done. Sometimes that takes two hours. Sometimes it’s ten hours plus a weekend. It’s very easy to identify (and fire) workers that don’t honor this system.
- suby 3y agoI get this logic, but in software development there is effectively an infinite and continually growing list of tasks to do. A lot of large and popular software projects on Github are not closing issues at a faster rate than they accrue.
- jimbob45 3y agoThe challenge is software development is planning out software development years in advance. Moving up the deadline years in doesn’t really help anyone because marketing and sales won’t have planned around your new date (see: the surprise release of the Sega Saturn). What matters is being able to stay on track and get back on track.
- tripdout 3y agoFrom my experience there's always more tickets you can pick up.
- xyst 3y agoPersonally I’m just more efficient and happen to have people around me be very independent and competent. Having decent project management helps as well. Team is well aware of the product and confident. Very very rare to have knowledge colocated within a specific member of the team. All or most knowledge is well documented as well. On the very rare instance I am actually needed to put out a fire. We have “on-call” rotations (pager duty).
- canadiantim 3y agoLook at the current Commercial Real Estate collapse, e.g. Canadian pension fund sold its stake in a NY office building for $1 recently, and that's just the start. That's the why for public policies of forced RTO.
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- toomuchtodo 3y agoAlso tax credits based on bodies at office per week.
- senectus1 3y agocrazy, I'm still doing 8-5 on occasion i leave a little early but i also often get in early. I WFH 2 days a week.. it suits me fairly well. What I'd really prefer though is to take my LSL one day a week.. have three day weekends every weekend. I feel that two days off followed by five on is feeling like I'm scraping the edges of the bottom of the barrel.
- icedchai 3y agoDoes your company care if you're "available"? I'm supposed to keep my slack dot green during working hours. I think the awesomeness of remote work really depends on the company culture. If you're in a meeting heavy environment, it may be pure hell for anyone trying to do technical work. If someone schedules 3 meetings with a half hour or more in between, the whole day might be shot.
- phone8675309 3y agoI never am visible on Teams and it doesn't stop people from reaching out, so I think the default, despite dot color, is to be available.