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What is the libertarian solution for situations like this?
by mrtksn 3y ago
What is the libertarian solution for situations like this?
- sherry-sherry 3y agoShit in their office. Peninsula House, Rydon Lane, Exeter, Devon, England, EX2 7HR. They have no right to a shit-free office.
- tempodox 3y agoI thought this situation is the libertarian solution.
- spondylosaurus 3y agoSomething something market forces...
- klyrs 3y agoBuy a boat
- peutetre 3y agoMakes sense. The rising sewage will lift all boats.
- naruhodo 3y agoOr buy a submarine and carry on underturd. You can also get a wetsuit and flippers if you prefer to keep going through the motions.
- sitkack 3y agoBuy a castle, surround it with a moat, and float the boat in a moat of "water".
- anothernewdude 3y agoThe business owners have no right to keep people from dumping sewage on them in public
- mrtksn 3y agoThat's probably assault if doesn't have a profit angle. Maybe its expected that everyone should just screw the rest as much as they humanly can without petty crime. For example, maybe can be a good business to create a company that takes control of all the coffee production/distribution and algorithmically price the cup of coffee to be about 5 quids or %0.1 (whichever is greater)of the monthly income of the customer. To facilitate this, of course the company will need to collect information like the cars they drive or the house they live so it will require an account with their financials for the individuals displaying wealth. If that sounds monopolistic, alternatively all the independent coffee shops and coffee sellers can start running the same algorithm and have the exact same effect but technically they won't be price fixing. Why would they do that? Well, it's called catching a whale, they may end up losing the opportunity to make 5 pound of few billionaires but may end up making a fortune of one that really really needs a fix.
- EdwardDiego 3y agoGuns? Or maybe bears?
- suby 3y agoMove somewhere else, probably. I have never seen a good answer from Libertarians on environmental issue. Or any tragedy of the commons problem.
- otherme123 3y agoWhat? The solution for the tragedy of the commons is making the common thing private. There are large green areas in the UK owned by private funds, that are amongs the best preserved in the whole country, or even the whole Europe. Recent Nobel price Elinor Olstrom studied this theme, and found that in places where the tragedy of the commons is avoided, there are mechanisms that are akin to private property, like a common river being "owned" by a guardian or a private organization that keeps it safe from pollution.
- CipherThrowaway 3y agoIn theory it's Coase Theorem / Coasean bargaining. But even by economics standards, this theoretical result has little real world applicability.
- otherme123 3y agoHas the UK become a libertarian paradise lately, without we noticing? This is happening in a social-democracy, to a public good owned by the state. And yet you put the blame on libertarians! The company dumping sewage is doing it to the sea/rivers, not in private areas like a private swimming pool. Because they will be sued, and lose, if they did. The libertarian solution to this is "make the waters private". Anecdotally, in the begginings of the industrial revolution, some laundries sued some coal companies in UK for polluting the air and getting the clothes put to dry dirty againg. They won, so the coal companies lobbied the government for permission to emit ashes and smoke freely. The government obliged, allegedly in the name of progress. So when you ask yourself "what is the libertarian solution for this", ask first "is this a problem caused by the state action or inaction?" If the answer is "yes", you already have the answer to your first question.
- mrtksn 3y agoI haven't put any blame, just curious how a libertarian solve the issue as a thought experiment. Maybe there's an angle I haven't thought of. The "make the waters private" doesn't solve the problem of making the waters private if you haven't made the waters private before you want to swim. If you are going to purchase everything you need to live a life, this will quickly spiral into socialism with capitalist titles because you will need someone to manage all that so you can do stuff you actually care for. Someone will come up with a package that sorts things out for a subscription, you will just have your taxes called monthly subscription fees and the unelected officials will be called managers or CEO or something. Then they will reduce service quality since it would be very hard for you to simply switch to other providers if you are not happy(they will optimize for profit once the growth slows). Then the management will start selling access to you, for example if someone want to do taxi services to subscribers like you, they will have to pay a fee to the management. Honestly, IMHO this is not even socialism but just communism with different accounting formula and labels.
- otherme123 3y agoYou were "curious" and not blaming but quick to downvote. Good way of showing curiosity. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that the state allowed the pollution of a public owned area, and now you want a libertarian working solution after the fact. How does that make sense? The libertarian solution is, as I said, make the waters private. The owner will immediately sue the pollutant, to at least stop dumping waste. Reminder that the state is doing nothing at all. Is anyone dumping thrash in your privately owned house? Why is that? Please, point me a privately owned area were someone who is not the owner openly and freely thrash the place without consequences.
- jl6 3y agoDepends if you are the kind of libertarian who acknowledges that there are limits to what can be privately owned, or not. If you recognize that the sea and the air are fundamentally socialized resources, then there is no Libertarian solution and such resources must either be regulated by a government or treated as a commons, with consequent tragedy. If you’re the kind of “no limits” Libertarian who thinks you can privatize the sea…
- hilux 3y agoPresumably "make enough money to buy a private beach or private island."