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Playboy image from 1972 gets ban from IEEE computer journals
- MBCook 3y agoFinally. I believe she asked people to using her image long long ago.
- littlestymaar 3y agoTypo: you dropped the word “stop”, which is kind of important in your sentence ;)
- jsheard 3y agoAnd besides, I don't think a low-resolution, copyright encumbered image acquired by scanning a print magazine (rather than the original negatives) on a crappy 1970s scanner is a particularly relevant test case in TYOOL 2024. Even if the subject matter were something else it probably should have been phased out by now regardless.
- hinkley 3y agoWhen Bluray was brand spanking new, one of the 'must get' discs for your new player and fancy TV was the Planet Earth documentary. There are plenty of plants and animal scenes that can reproduce this diversity of color and texture these days.
- 1970-01-01 3y agoDiversity of color is good and all, but now you're comparing apples to humans. We're very good at knowing how her skin tones and face are supposed to look, and if something isn't right, it's nowhere near as easy for a human to visually catch the inaccuracy using exotic plants and animals.
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- hinkley 3y agoI was thinking more cheetahs and leopards to humans.
- MBCook 3y agoSure. But you could easily find a picture of a diverse group of people with lots of colors. That would have a lot of benefits. And you could make sure the license was available, or that the people were OK with it.
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- goodSteveramos 3y agoYes, but it is the privilege of the people who pioneer a new human endeavor to name things and pick its arbitrary standards and inform those choices with their beliefs. I would prefer people simply register their disagreement if the issue comes up instead of seeking out trivial historical artifacts of previous social norms.
- hinkley 3y agoSo of course the article includes the image as the second picture.
- goodSteveramos 3y agoIt’s not inherently offensive, it was the ideological statement being made by those still putting it in research papers that was objected to.
- hinkley 3y agoThe person in the picture asked that people stop using it, a few years ago, but female CS students have been complaining about it forever. The “ideological statement” they are making is fuck your feelings, especially if you’re female. So yes, it is inherently offensive. “Being confronted with the Lenna image made me very aware that I was one of the only women in the room.” I wrote the first two PNG image decoders for Java. The first was done as part of an IP swap between Sun Microsystems and NCSA. That was a straight wrapper of the C library. The second was a pure Java implementation I wrote on my own time the following Christmas when I was stuck overseas. When I wrote the first, Lenna was part of the corpus I was handed to prove I had it working. I felt weird about it at the time, and my sexual politics were decent but not great. What’s their excuse? It didn’t really help me with getting the implementation right either. It was a picture of a curved road and thatched roofs in a village somewhere in the British Isles that helped me fix a memory corruption error that held up calling it done. And the color test patterns hosted on the libpng homepage helped me get the rest. I wrote those right around when the first official complaints were being lodged, 28 years ago. https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8100841 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8100841
- goodSteveramos 3y ago> the “ideological statement” they are making is fuck your feelings Everyone thinks his opponent’s ideology is just spite and hate while his own ideology isn’t an ideology at all and is just ‘the way things should be’. I’m not debating the merits of the ideologies at issue. That is discouraged on HN.
- 1970-01-01 3y ago4 years ago. "I retired from modeling a long time ago. It's time I retired from tech, too... Let's commit to losing me." https://vimeo.com/372265771 https://vimeo.com/372265771
- majikaja 3y agoDidn't she sign away the rights when she got the money?
- josephcsible 3y agoWhen Donald Trump asked people to stop using a particular image of his, it got used more than ever before and photoshopped to be even worse: <https://www.thewrap.com/donald-trump-chin-mocked-in-hilarious-internet-memes-photos/ https://www.thewrap.com/donald-trump-chin-mocked-in-hilariou...> and <https://www.demilked.com/donald-trump-big-chin-photo-photoshop-battle/ https://www.demilked.com/donald-trump-big-chin-photo-photosh...>. Why are so many people okay with that happening but also insistent on not using the Lenna image anymore?
- MBCook 3y agoPoliticians are notable people, they’re treated differently.
- eadmund 3y agoShe had formerly been very proud of it. I think that over the past few years she was badgered into asking folks to stop using it.
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- goodSteveramos 3y agoI had no idea this image was pornographic. I’m surprised this decision had nothing to do with copyright and was instead ideological.
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- pinewurst 3y agohttps://qntm.org/mmacevedo https://qntm.org/mmacevedo
- 1letterunixname 3y agoContext: This image was a "Utah teapot" for testing early image compression file formats and algorithms such as PCX, TIFF, GIF, JPG, etc.
- majikaja 3y agoMaybe more women could become computer scientists and use sexy pictures of men to make the world fairer?
- Shawnj2 3y agoThere was a paper written by all women that did this lol But that’s not the same because we live in a world where systemic harassment of women in academia by men exists and the reverse doesn’t. Other than the ideological issue of using a playboy photo as a test image a big issue is that a lot of people would harass women trying to enter academia using Lena.
- Kye 3y agoA later submission managed to avoid getting pummeled into oblivion with flags if you're looking for discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39872242 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39872242
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