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Wouldn't you be able to do a similar list for any given provider, given sufficient motivation and rage? Or do you think Azure is distinct

SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
I already follow that account. A reason is that we use Azure at work. A previous job used AWS, IDK what the next one will use, so it goes. I don't see Azure as uniquely bad, but since I have to use it, I want to know about the particular ways in which it is bad. So I follow that account. By all means, do an AWS one.
empuxr 3y ago
Certainly. There's the cloud providers everybody hates and the cloud providers nobody uses.
- chii 3y ago
  and then there's AWS.
- lifestyleguru 3y ago
  > cloud providers nobody uses They're sweet and perfectly fine most of the times. Most self-healing clusters with sophisticated permission models are perfectly replacable by one Debian/RedHat instance.
sofixa 3y ago
You would, but as someone who has interacted with all three big cloud providers at some level, and has seen demos using all three, and has colleagues that have had to do work and/or demos with all three... Azure is by far the worst. Their security is the worst - they have had more than 10 critical security vulnerabilities, most of them cross-tenant, some of them trivial to exploit and should have never gotten into production, just over the past 2-3 years. Their UX and docs are extremely bad. Not that AWS/GCP are perfect, but at least they're actually usable - the docs can be read and understood, and the UI and API don't take years to answer every single call. As an anecdote, demos from their own Solutions Architects leave the impression everything is a slow disjointed mess. As another anecdote, I don't know any single Platform/Infra/SRE/DevOps/Cloud person that actually likes Azure, while I know lots of people who evangelise AWS/GCP for various reasons. The main reason to go to Azure is because your bosses' boss was convinced to buy it at a golf course.
- layoric 3y ago
  > The main reason to go to Azure is because your bosses' boss was convinced to buy it at a golf course. This is why SharePoint got installed in so many gov/large enterprise in the past, and I have to assume why Azure has any kind of market share today. If it wasn’t a golf course, it was after being wined and dined in Vegas, at least it was when I was last working in government..
  - lifestyleguru 3y ago
    To this day enterprises are looking for "SharePoint Developers" and everyone they hire hates every mouse click so they outsource further and further. "Azure Developers" are mostly developers from outsourcing centers forcefully trained by the enterprise. Training sponsored by workplace and conducted by Big Four. Here and there some whisper their wonderment why such expensive "cloud training" is needed. That's the IT workforce shortage the companies are talking about.
- politelemon 3y ago
  Thanks for that insight, I've not used it much, only minor things, so I didn't realize it was like that. > Their UX and docs are extremely bad. Their UX makes me feel stupid. I just can't find things and I keep wondering what I'm missing. A bit of a relief to hear this.
- agentrnge 3y ago
  > The main reason to go to Azure is because your bosses' boss was convinced to buy it at a golf course. I have said this so many times about all this horrible garbage our mgmt picks.
- nunez 3y ago
  Less "golf course" and more "discounts on discounts on discounts"

SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago

I already follow that account. A reason is that we use Azure at work. A previous job used AWS, IDK what the next one will use, so it goes. I don't see Azure as uniquely bad, but since I have to use it, I want to know about the particular ways in which it is bad. So I follow that account. By all means, do an AWS one.

empuxr 3y ago

Certainly. There's the cloud providers everybody hates and the cloud providers nobody uses.

chii 3y ago
and then there's AWS.
lifestyleguru 3y ago
> cloud providers nobody uses They're sweet and perfectly fine most of the times. Most self-healing clusters with sophisticated permission models are perfectly replacable by one Debian/RedHat instance.

sofixa 3y ago

You would, but as someone who has interacted with all three big cloud providers at some level, and has seen demos using all three, and has colleagues that have had to do work and/or demos with all three... Azure is by far the worst. Their security is the worst - they have had more than 10 critical security vulnerabilities, most of them cross-tenant, some of them trivial to exploit and should have never gotten into production, just over the past 2-3 years. Their UX and docs are extremely bad. Not that AWS/GCP are perfect, but at least they're actually usable - the docs can be read and understood, and the UI and API don't take years to answer every single call. As an anecdote, demos from their own Solutions Architects leave the impression everything is a slow disjointed mess. As another anecdote, I don't know any single Platform/Infra/SRE/DevOps/Cloud person that actually likes Azure, while I know lots of people who evangelise AWS/GCP for various reasons. The main reason to go to Azure is because your bosses' boss was convinced to buy it at a golf course.

layoric 3y ago
> The main reason to go to Azure is because your bosses' boss was convinced to buy it at a golf course. This is why SharePoint got installed in so many gov/large enterprise in the past, and I have to assume why Azure has any kind of market share today. If it wasn’t a golf course, it was after being wined and dined in Vegas, at least it was when I was last working in government..
- lifestyleguru 3y ago
  To this day enterprises are looking for "SharePoint Developers" and everyone they hire hates every mouse click so they outsource further and further. "Azure Developers" are mostly developers from outsourcing centers forcefully trained by the enterprise. Training sponsored by workplace and conducted by Big Four. Here and there some whisper their wonderment why such expensive "cloud training" is needed. That's the IT workforce shortage the companies are talking about.
politelemon 3y ago
Thanks for that insight, I've not used it much, only minor things, so I didn't realize it was like that. > Their UX and docs are extremely bad. Their UX makes me feel stupid. I just can't find things and I keep wondering what I'm missing. A bit of a relief to hear this.
agentrnge 3y ago
> The main reason to go to Azure is because your bosses' boss was convinced to buy it at a golf course. I have said this so many times about all this horrible garbage our mgmt picks.
nunez 3y ago
Less "golf course" and more "discounts on discounts on discounts"