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The relevant section is taken from part 12 (User Content) where User Content is specifically and narrowly defined as stuff you upload to the website services.

The relevant section is taken from part 12 (User Content) where User Content is specifically and narrowly defined as stuff you upload to the website services. I actually think there is an attempt in the ToS as written to keep the definition narrow in the way that the parent comment quotes, but it is unfortunately not super well drafted, because there is a partially-explicit distinction between "platform" and "services" that may make sense to a legal person, but is not sufficiently clear for a technical person. So not quite good enough, IMO, but a distinction is being made in the relevant section, and this can be seen if you read the paragraphs in question.

Aeolun 3y ago
That section as written is still insane. They’re taking ownership of anything you or your users do on their platform.
dns_snek 3y ago
> "[...] and any other content or material that You or your end users submit, upload, post, host, store, or otherwise make available (“Make Available”) on or through the Services (collectively, “Your Content,” “Content” or “User Content”)" 1. the definition of "User Content" includes "your end users", something you can only have when using their cloud platform services, not when you're using their community forum. 2. It refers to "Services", not "website services" > (a) If You use Our Services for any site, sub-domain, page or business model that allows Your end users or customers to control or upload material to Internet space assigned to You by Us, You shall be deemed to be acting as a "Service Provider" with respect to such services and/or customers. Service Providers include but are not limited to customers which; (i) resell bandwidth as hosts to third parties; (ii) operate user-generated content sites such as forums, "tube" sites, review sites, and online classified advertising sites; [...] 3. This paragraph refers to their hosting/platform services as just "Services", again. I don't see a clear distinction being made.

Aeolun 3y ago

That section as written is still insane. They’re taking ownership of anything you or your users do on their platform.

dns_snek 3y ago

> "[...] and any other content or material that You or your end users submit, upload, post, host, store, or otherwise make available (“Make Available”) on or through the Services (collectively, “Your Content,” “Content” or “User Content”)" 1. the definition of "User Content" includes "your end users", something you can only have when using their cloud platform services, not when you're using their community forum. 2. It refers to "Services", not "website services" > (a) If You use Our Services for any site, sub-domain, page or business model that allows Your end users or customers to control or upload material to Internet space assigned to You by Us, You shall be deemed to be acting as a "Service Provider" with respect to such services and/or customers. Service Providers include but are not limited to customers which; (i) resell bandwidth as hosts to third parties; (ii) operate user-generated content sites such as forums, "tube" sites, review sites, and online classified advertising sites; [...] 3. This paragraph refers to their hosting/platform services as just "Services", again. I don't see a clear distinction being made.