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If you want to move faster in JVM world use Kotlin. There is no alternative in .NET world- that’s why JVM ecosystem is much better (and bigger)

MBCook 3y ago
I’m actually quite happy with how it’s done, but I know many others aren’t.
pjmlp 3y ago
F# would be the alternative.
- tkubacki 3y ago
  F# is not mainstream lang - it’s more like Clojure for .NET. My point was - you don’t have that variety in .NET as in JVM (Scala, Kotlin, Groovy are all relatively mainstream)
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    Kotlin is only mainstream on Android because Google says so, Groovy is barely kept alive thanks Gradle, and if it wasn't for Kafka and Spark, Scala would have been long gone. Hardly any better than F#.
    - tkubacki 3y ago
      Well you are clearly out of JVM world. See supported langs here https://start.spring.io/ https://start.spring.io/ (most popular JVM framework) Kotlin is especially popular on backend if you can’t jump out of JDK8 F# is functional - by definition not mainstream
      - pjmlp 3y ago
        I am on JVM world since 1996. Spring supports anything that can bring them support contracts. Kotlin, popular outside Android? Reality check over here, https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-top-programming-languages-2023 https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-top-programming-languages-2023
        tkubacki 3y ago
        Don’t get me wrong F# seems like a nice lang but definitely not mainstream (non geeks don’t use purely functional langs). You can’t deny Kotlin is bigger lang than F# by any ranking from those popular (Tiobe) to unknown ones and is build on top of much bigger ecosystem (JVM) - that’s IMHO much more important factor for anyone doing commercial projects. Additionally there is a big incentive to use it over Java (if you are stuck with older JDK) contrary to using F# over C# Kotlin as a lang is better than C# (which is normal - it’s newer) and has better default IDE (IntelliJ) than anything on the market.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        This is like discussing which homeless has better clothes, while the society doesn't care about both of them.
        tkubacki 3y ago
        Well a bit exaggerated. Seen two Fortune 500 companies moving all never stuff to Kotlin on backend on my own eyes (for the reason I mentioned above) in some branches.

MBCook 3y ago

I’m actually quite happy with how it’s done, but I know many others aren’t.

pjmlp 3y ago

F# would be the alternative.

tkubacki 3y ago
F# is not mainstream lang - it’s more like Clojure for .NET. My point was - you don’t have that variety in .NET as in JVM (Scala, Kotlin, Groovy are all relatively mainstream)
- pjmlp 3y ago
  Kotlin is only mainstream on Android because Google says so, Groovy is barely kept alive thanks Gradle, and if it wasn't for Kafka and Spark, Scala would have been long gone. Hardly any better than F#.
  - tkubacki 3y ago
    Well you are clearly out of JVM world. See supported langs here https://start.spring.io/ https://start.spring.io/ (most popular JVM framework) Kotlin is especially popular on backend if you can’t jump out of JDK8 F# is functional - by definition not mainstream
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      I am on JVM world since 1996. Spring supports anything that can bring them support contracts. Kotlin, popular outside Android? Reality check over here, https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-top-programming-languages-2023 https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-top-programming-languages-2023
      - tkubacki 3y ago
        Don’t get me wrong F# seems like a nice lang but definitely not mainstream (non geeks don’t use purely functional langs). You can’t deny Kotlin is bigger lang than F# by any ranking from those popular (Tiobe) to unknown ones and is build on top of much bigger ecosystem (JVM) - that’s IMHO much more important factor for anyone doing commercial projects. Additionally there is a big incentive to use it over Java (if you are stuck with older JDK) contrary to using F# over C# Kotlin as a lang is better than C# (which is normal - it’s newer) and has better default IDE (IntelliJ) than anything on the market.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        This is like discussing which homeless has better clothes, while the society doesn't care about both of them.
        tkubacki 3y ago
        Well a bit exaggerated. Seen two Fortune 500 companies moving all never stuff to Kotlin on backend on my own eyes (for the reason I mentioned above) in some branches.