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What aspects of modern warfare didn't Hideo Kojima foresee? >Another combat veteran, now with a Pentagon agency working on these issues, told me that the AI de
by musha68k 3y ago
What aspects of modern warfare didn't Hideo Kojima foresee?
>Another combat veteran, now with a Pentagon agency working on these issues, told me that the AI developers he works with didn’t seem to understand some of the requirements for the technology’s military application. “I don’t know if AI, or the sensors that feed it for that matter, will ever be capable of spontaneity or recognizing spontaneity,” he said. He cited a DARPA experiment in which a squad of Marines defeated an AI-governed robot that had been trained to detect them simply by altering their physical profiles. Two walked inside a large cardboard box. Others somersaulted. One wore the branches of a fir tree. All were able to approach over open ground and touch the robot without detection.
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>I was curious about Palantir, whose stock indeed soared amid the 2023 AI frenzy. I had been told that the Israeli security sector’s AI systems might rely on Palantir’s technology. Furthermore, Shin Bet’s humiliating failure to predict the Hamas assault had not blunted the Israeli Defense Force’s appetite for the technology; the unceasing rain of bombs upon densely packed Gaza neighborhoods, according to a well-sourced report by Israeli reporter Yuval Abraham in +972 Magazine, was in fact partly controlled by an AI target-creation platform called the Gospel. The Gospel produces automatic recommendations for where to strike based on what the technology identifies as being connected with Hamas, such as the private home of a suspected rank-and-file member of the organization. It also calculates how many civilians, including women and children, would die in the process—which, as of this writing, amounted to at least twenty-two thousand people, some 70 percent of them women and children. One of Abraham’s intelligence sources termed the technology a “mass assassination factory.” Despite the high-tech gloss on the massacre, the result has been no different than the slaughter inflicted, with comparatively more primitive means, against Dresden and Tokyo during World War II.
- darkerside 3y agoThis is horrible news. Blurring the lines of accountability between people and software in the industry of war is a recipe for Armageddon. It's not only genocide laundering, which is atrocious enough. Unchecked, it will lead to a "stand your ground" type of situation where countries may strike first in anticipation of other actions. I fear for the future.
- magic_hamster 3y agoNot news, rumors with no shred of evidence.
- DragonStrength 3y agoThe point remains: software is continually used as the scapegoat when things go wrong to shield human actors. Practitioners in our, admittedly young, field have shown very little appetite for taking any sort of responsibility expected of engineering professionals who inflict harm.
- afthonos 3y agoBest suggestion I ever saw for regulating autonomous software: make software usage in decision-making an aggravating factor in mistakes.
- MSFT_Edging 3y ago> according to a well-sourced report by Israeli reporter Yuval Abraham in +972 Magazine, was in fact partly controlled by an AI target-creation platform called the Gospel Don't try to "fake-news" it because it doesn't fit with your narrative. Tech is being abused and combined with already authoritarian-fascist policies, is killing civilians en masse.
- literallycancer 3y agoHave you read the report?
- imwillofficial 3y agoHe doesn’t need to. We cited a well respected journalist in a well known publication.
- darkerside 3y agohttps://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/ https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-cal... Here is the original report. Why are you so confident that there is no evidence? Not the curiosity we generally expect at HN.
- lupire 3y agoAbsolutely ridiculous comparison. The bombing of Dresden killed 25K people in 3days, not months of war. The bombing of Tokyo killed 100K people in 1 day. Furthermore, those cities were not where the military was actually operating. Hamas is operating its offensive throughout Gaza.
- snapcaster 3y agoWhy are you attempting to downplay the killing of so many people? You could just not do that and keep moving
- skyyler 3y ago22,000 people. 70% of them women and children, was it? But it’s okay because Hamas exists? What led you to this conclusion?
- saagarjha 3y agoIt is also 2024. One would think that reducing the number of civilian noncombatants killed would be in order since then, no?
- shrimp_emoji 3y agoIt is also in the Middle East, where the only democracy there is surrounded on all sides and has no options left.
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- scotty79 3y ago> Gospel People are so desperately wanting to believe that AI will give them the revealed truth. Such systems should be named "Racist Uncle Dave" because they hallucinate some answer everytime they open their virtual mouths with some probability of being somewhat correct this time.
- TheJoeMan 3y agoI’ve been hanging around some MBA types lately, and I’m coming to realize the product doesn’t actually have to perform to high specs like engineers would demand. Palantir is selling a “story” that their AI system magically decreases casualties and finds good targets, and it’s got firm numbers printed in the console (that could be completely wrong) but that is more convincing to MBA’s than any wishy intuition. So the MBA’s buy into the marketing, and the executors are buying into offloading their conscience.
- vasilipupkin 3y agoplease. the last people that would buy into any kind of marketing are MBAs because they actually study marketing among other things during their 2 years of obtaining an MBA. there is no perfect product, I don't know how well Palantir AI works, but I would be surprised it doesn't work at all
- joloooo 3y agoYou're right. MBA's are immune from marketing or sales tactics. Don't tell Mckinsey.
- vasilipupkin 3y agoMcKinsey hires top of the class people at top schools and pays them top dollar. If all they needed was marketing or sales, they could go to University of Nowhere and hire good looking tall people to do sales.
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- sequoia 3y ago> at least twenty-two thousand people, some 70 percent of them women and children. People are definitely dying and that includes civilians, but facts matter and a lot of these numbers are simply made up by Hamas. Here's some analysis that demonstrates that it's extremely unlikely Hamas's Gaza Health Ministry numbers are based in reality: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-he... Stuff like almost perfectly linear growth of deaths over days and so on, take a look at the article. This is also Hamas who claims that every person killed was a civilian. Try to find "number of Hamas combatants killed" in the Gaza Health Ministry numbers, they don't even count this. Isn't that a bit weird? Israel will tell you how many people killed were armed soldiers and how many were civilians, as most places will do. I don't know why people believe the numbers coming from Hamas. I wish there were a more reliable source in the area, but believing Hamas because you have no other numbers to go on is plain stupid.
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- tptacek 3y agoThe thing to do when you feel like a commenter is "beyond reason" is to flag the comment. Writing a long response to what you feel is an unreasonable or bad-faith comment is just feeding the toxicity. The abyss is commenting back into you, so to speak. You can see the effect here: in trying to compose a reply to the parent comment, you managed to violate a variety of HN guidelines yourself.
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