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The newest car I own is from 1999 which I believe is blissfully unaffected, but shortly thereafter I believe they were "coding" ECUs and TCUs in the name of "th

The newest car I own is from 1999 which I believe is blissfully unaffected, but shortly thereafter I believe they were "coding" ECUs and TCUs in the name of "theft prevention", basically ensuring it's impossible to swap out a transmission without going to the dealership to kiss the ring in the form of a large amount of money to "code" the controller. I will absolutely not buy anything newer until this BS is put firmly to rest: > Some products — like devices powered by combustion engines, medical equipment, farming equipment, HVAC equipment, video game consoles, and energy storage systems — are excluded from Oregon’s rules entirely. EDIT: there is no good answer other than open firmware and standards. You should not be allowed to sell machines that cannot be maintained. It's abhorrent. EDIT2: If I feel the need for a "theft preventer" I can get one that takes 12ga. 3" magnum shells. Alternating 00 buck and 3/4oz slug. Works equally well on moose, bears, thieves, and dealership service managers ;).

clipsy 3y ago
> If I feel the need for a "theft preventer" I can get one that takes 12ga. 3" magnum shells. Alternating 00 buck and 3/4oz slug. Works equally well on moose, bears, thieves, and dealership service managers ;). It doesn't tend to work very well when you leave the car unattended, unfortunately!
- jcgrillo 3y ago
  That's a fact, but I've never had anyone part out my car while it's parked. It's an equally silly scenario as the (I hope obviously tongue-in-cheek) Charlton Heston-esque scenario I attempted to invoke. The fact is the "theft prevention" excuse to prevent end users from being able to maintain their equipment is utter nonsense.
  - clipsy 3y ago
    To be clear, I'm in favor of the right to repair here. But I think the concern is not someone parting out a car in a public parking space, but rather stealing a car from a public parking space and parting it out at a second location?
    - jcgrillo 3y ago
      I guess I'd need to see some statistical evidence that this is actually a problem. I have trouble believing there's any expectation value that benefits me, the consumer, in this scenario. My 1999 vehicle has really bottomed out in terms of depreciation but it's still tip-top mechanically. It'll totally go for another 30+yr with regular maintenance and some basic rust prevention. So given even a reasonable chance of stealing, it's hard to believe that's a realistic concern. Most likely the repair scenario I'll be faced with is instead a subcomponent will wear out. So the "theft prevention" idea is just... larping, really.
JojoFatsani 3y ago
Edgy!

clipsy 3y ago

> If I feel the need for a "theft preventer" I can get one that takes 12ga. 3" magnum shells. Alternating 00 buck and 3/4oz slug. Works equally well on moose, bears, thieves, and dealership service managers ;). It doesn't tend to work very well when you leave the car unattended, unfortunately!

jcgrillo 3y ago
That's a fact, but I've never had anyone part out my car while it's parked. It's an equally silly scenario as the (I hope obviously tongue-in-cheek) Charlton Heston-esque scenario I attempted to invoke. The fact is the "theft prevention" excuse to prevent end users from being able to maintain their equipment is utter nonsense.
- clipsy 3y ago
  To be clear, I'm in favor of the right to repair here. But I think the concern is not someone parting out a car in a public parking space, but rather stealing a car from a public parking space and parting it out at a second location?
  - jcgrillo 3y ago
    I guess I'd need to see some statistical evidence that this is actually a problem. I have trouble believing there's any expectation value that benefits me, the consumer, in this scenario. My 1999 vehicle has really bottomed out in terms of depreciation but it's still tip-top mechanically. It'll totally go for another 30+yr with regular maintenance and some basic rust prevention. So given even a reasonable chance of stealing, it's hard to believe that's a realistic concern. Most likely the repair scenario I'll be faced with is instead a subcomponent will wear out. So the "theft prevention" idea is just... larping, really.

JojoFatsani 3y ago

Edgy!