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https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-border-troops-women-hamas-warnings-war-october-7-benjamin-netanyahu/ https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-border-troops

by c420 3y ago

https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-border-troops-women-hamas-warnings-war-october-7-benjamin-netanyahu/ https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-border-troops-women-h... According to Politico, they did indeed ignore the intelligence.

traceroute66 3y ago
> According to Politico, they did indeed ignore the intelligence. It has also been reported[1] that they ignored intelligence handed to them on a plate by the Egyptians three days before the raid occurred. [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67082047 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67082047
- underlipton 3y ago
  Apparently something that also happened recently with the ISIS attack in Russia (US intelligence warned them). Unstable or vulnerable regimes using terror as a pretense is not that farfetched, is it? I think we should also be paying attention to this dynamic, considering who is going to be on the ballot this fall.
  - hackable_sand 3y ago
    Trump has been more routinely advocating and threatening violence with a well-established gallery of Hunnic boogie men to provoke his base. I suspect this galvanization is a fear response to a contracted race for immunity. Considering that violence is his response to every effort towards his accountability, lawful exchange of power, and deposition, it follows that he would justify disproportionate violence under even more tenuous pretense.
    - underlipton 3y ago
      I agree. I'm also going to say something a bit controversial: the effect of Roe vs Wade being overturned has been the institution of, effectively, a terror campaign. And while that campaign has been carried out by Republicans... it's been allowed by the Biden administration and congressional Democrats, because they're vulnerable against Trump and need something powerfully persuasive to run on. Securing a woman's right to choose is something that we should have seen Profiles in Courage-type sacrifices for; instead the party under whose watch it was lost are using it in their emails asking for donations. Altogether, it's very worrying, because both sides of the establishment seem willing to threats of violence should they lose as motivation to vote for them. We're aching for a third party.
roenxi 3y ago
I don't see how that is relevant to the parent comment. The question isn't whether they ignored the intelligence; did they ignore the intelligence because of incompetence or because they wanted to ramp up their colonialist programs? Either way, this seems stupid for Israel. They're a group of Jews in the middle of a sea of muslims, their military edge is weakening and they will be relying on goodwill in the future. Their long term interests are not served by solving problems with large scale military operations, or by doing anything that fuels the perception that they might be genocidal.
- Supermancho 3y ago
  This is a common tactic for someone trying to hold power at any cost. Seems good for the leadership if the country can last long enough for the world to blame it on old leadership, long after they are dead...or if they are successful enough that it's a statistic.

by c420 3y ago

traceroute66 3y ago

> According to Politico, they did indeed ignore the intelligence. It has also been reported[1] that they ignored intelligence handed to them on a plate by the Egyptians three days before the raid occurred. [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67082047 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67082047

underlipton 3y ago
Apparently something that also happened recently with the ISIS attack in Russia (US intelligence warned them). Unstable or vulnerable regimes using terror as a pretense is not that farfetched, is it? I think we should also be paying attention to this dynamic, considering who is going to be on the ballot this fall.
- hackable_sand 3y ago
  Trump has been more routinely advocating and threatening violence with a well-established gallery of Hunnic boogie men to provoke his base. I suspect this galvanization is a fear response to a contracted race for immunity. Considering that violence is his response to every effort towards his accountability, lawful exchange of power, and deposition, it follows that he would justify disproportionate violence under even more tenuous pretense.
  - underlipton 3y ago
    I agree. I'm also going to say something a bit controversial: the effect of Roe vs Wade being overturned has been the institution of, effectively, a terror campaign. And while that campaign has been carried out by Republicans... it's been allowed by the Biden administration and congressional Democrats, because they're vulnerable against Trump and need something powerfully persuasive to run on. Securing a woman's right to choose is something that we should have seen Profiles in Courage-type sacrifices for; instead the party under whose watch it was lost are using it in their emails asking for donations. Altogether, it's very worrying, because both sides of the establishment seem willing to threats of violence should they lose as motivation to vote for them. We're aching for a third party.

roenxi 3y ago

I don't see how that is relevant to the parent comment. The question isn't whether they ignored the intelligence; did they ignore the intelligence because of incompetence or because they wanted to ramp up their colonialist programs? Either way, this seems stupid for Israel. They're a group of Jews in the middle of a sea of muslims, their military edge is weakening and they will be relying on goodwill in the future. Their long term interests are not served by solving problems with large scale military operations, or by doing anything that fuels the perception that they might be genocidal.

Supermancho 3y ago
This is a common tactic for someone trying to hold power at any cost. Seems good for the leadership if the country can last long enough for the world to blame it on old leadership, long after they are dead...or if they are successful enough that it's a statistic.