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WebP2P - New Peer to Peer Technology on the Web

62 points by marcieoum 14y ago

dmboyd 14y ago
Isn't the hardest aspect always going to be getting browser support for NAT PMP?
- pwpwp 14y ago
  Well, there are a lot of folks from companies like Ericsson and Cisco working on IETF's RTCWeb¹, so I guess they'll figure it out. And BitTorrent clients manage to do it, too. ¹ http://tools.ietf.org/wg/rtcweb/ http://tools.ietf.org/wg/rtcweb/
- Mizza 14y ago
  Nope! WebRTC has ICE/STUN built into it, which can suffice for traversing most domestic NATs. It's really cool stuff - join the list!
abcd_f 14y ago
> There is a new mailing list for peer to peer hackers Well, there is an old mailing list too - http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers - which is still the place to go for all p2p questions. Pretty much anyone and everyone notable in p2p domain is on it, and the discussion quality tends to be similar to that of early HN.
drivebyacct2 14y ago
The best part is, if you're willing to enable a couple Chrome flags, you can have all of this. Right now. JSEP, ROAP, ROAP-over-JSEP, WebRTC, even a fairly function multipeer Skype clone in a weekend (if the Chrome team would enable multiple PC objects)
- rmc 14y ago
  Oh? Care to elaborate with a simple HOWTO?
Mizza 14y ago
Hey, who keeps submitting my articles to HN? >=) This one jumped the gun a bit.. I just got control of the WebP2P.org domain name and this evening I was going to put up a real website with actually useful information rather than that crappy blog post.. oh well, internet moves too fast for me! Seriously, you should join the list if you're interested! Please introduce yourself if you do! There's tons of great people on there already and things are starting to heat up.
dfc 14y ago
I am not a big fan of the list archives. It makes reading long threads tough. And its awful when a reply is not quoted properly...
quadhome 14y ago
It's frustrating to see so many disparate efforts. For example, there's the Peer to Peer Streaming Protocol[1] work occurring in the IETF. Really fantastic stuff! (they basically took Bittorrent, stripped the cruft, and used a Merkle Tree to enable streaming.) [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ppsp/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ppsp/
- wmf 14y ago
  Don't forget RELOAD, DECADE, and ALTO. The IETF is somewhat broken right now because they let people who frankly don't matter create working groups, and so those WGs turn out to be pointless. But to their credit, PPSP (swarming overlay multicast) is fairly orthogonal to WebRTC (low-latency point-to-point A/V chat). There are probably some aspects of the protocols that could be similar; I don't know if they're trying to converge those parts.
- mike-cardwell 14y ago
  I'd replace the word "frustrating" with "exciting" or "promising". What's frustrating about choice, competition and experimentation?

62 points by marcieoum 14y ago

dmboyd 14y ago

Isn't the hardest aspect always going to be getting browser support for NAT PMP?

pwpwp 14y ago
Well, there are a lot of folks from companies like Ericsson and Cisco working on IETF's RTCWeb¹, so I guess they'll figure it out. And BitTorrent clients manage to do it, too. ¹ http://tools.ietf.org/wg/rtcweb/ http://tools.ietf.org/wg/rtcweb/
Mizza 14y ago
Nope! WebRTC has ICE/STUN built into it, which can suffice for traversing most domestic NATs. It's really cool stuff - join the list!

abcd_f 14y ago

> There is a new mailing list for peer to peer hackers Well, there is an old mailing list too - http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers - which is still the place to go for all p2p questions. Pretty much anyone and everyone notable in p2p domain is on it, and the discussion quality tends to be similar to that of early HN.

drivebyacct2 14y ago

The best part is, if you're willing to enable a couple Chrome flags, you can have all of this. Right now. JSEP, ROAP, ROAP-over-JSEP, WebRTC, even a fairly function multipeer Skype clone in a weekend (if the Chrome team would enable multiple PC objects)

rmc 14y ago
Oh? Care to elaborate with a simple HOWTO?

Mizza 14y ago

Hey, who keeps submitting my articles to HN? >=) This one jumped the gun a bit.. I just got control of the WebP2P.org domain name and this evening I was going to put up a real website with actually useful information rather than that crappy blog post.. oh well, internet moves too fast for me! Seriously, you should join the list if you're interested! Please introduce yourself if you do! There's tons of great people on there already and things are starting to heat up.

dfc 14y ago

I am not a big fan of the list archives. It makes reading long threads tough. And its awful when a reply is not quoted properly...

quadhome 14y ago

It's frustrating to see so many disparate efforts. For example, there's the Peer to Peer Streaming Protocol[1] work occurring in the IETF. Really fantastic stuff! (they basically took Bittorrent, stripped the cruft, and used a Merkle Tree to enable streaming.) [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ppsp/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ppsp/

wmf 14y ago
Don't forget RELOAD, DECADE, and ALTO. The IETF is somewhat broken right now because they let people who frankly don't matter create working groups, and so those WGs turn out to be pointless. But to their credit, PPSP (swarming overlay multicast) is fairly orthogonal to WebRTC (low-latency point-to-point A/V chat). There are probably some aspects of the protocols that could be similar; I don't know if they're trying to converge those parts.
mike-cardwell 14y ago
I'd replace the word "frustrating" with "exciting" or "promising". What's frustrating about choice, competition and experimentation?