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It's interesting that GPT is available in the EU, but Claude isn't. Both are by American companies (despite the French name), but OpenAI clearly has found ways

by lucumo 3y ago

It's interesting that GPT is available in the EU, but Claude isn't. Both are by American companies (despite the French name), but OpenAI clearly has found ways of working within the EU regulations. Why is it more difficult for Anthropic?

Chabsff 3y ago
According to them: https://support.anthropic.com/en/articles/7996881-what-is-your-approach-to-gdpr-or-related-issues https://support.anthropic.com/en/articles/7996881-what-is-yo... The very first part of the answer to "How do you approach GDPR" is: > "We approach data privacy and security holistically, [...]" Which reads to me as a polite way to say: We don't want to be GDPR-compliant.
danpalmer 3y ago
I think a lot of regulatory issues right now with AI are not that the technology can't be used, but that it takes time to get everything in place for it to be allowed to be used, or to have the compliance procedures in place so it's unlikely you'll be sued for it. Given how fast this space is moving, it's understandable that these companies are opening it up in different countries as soon as they can.
worldsayshi 3y ago
It looks like API access is enabled in EU? I can at least use it here(1) and I'm in the EU. 1 - https://console.anthropic.com https://console.anthropic.com
- sixhobbits 3y ago
  I could use the free trial / starter credits from EU, but the moment I tried to upgrade it said it wasn't available in my region.
  - k4rli 3y ago
    I'm also still on trial credits in EU, but I read on HN that using VPN once for the topup is enough for it to allow continuing to use it. Yet to try but might work
    - worldsayshi 3y ago
      Interesting! Not a good foundation for building a product on top of though...
    - worldsayshi 3y ago
      Oh! It looks like they are officially supporting API access but not GUI access in at least some EU countries (including Sweden): https://www.anthropic.com/supported-countries https://www.anthropic.com/supported-countries
padolsey 3y ago
2c: I guess it's a "wait and see" approach. The AI Bill is making good progress through EU parliament and will soon (?) be enforceable. It includes pretty hefty fines (up to 7% annual turnover for noncompliance) and lots of currently amorphous definitions of harm. And it'll make it necessary for AI firms like Anthropic to make their processes/weights more transparent/explicable. Ironically, Anthropic seem very publicly animated about their research into 'mechanistic interpretability' (i.e. why is the AI behaving the way its behaving?), and they're happy to rake $$ in in the meantime all while maintaining a stance of caution and reluctance to transparency. I will wait and see whether they follow a similar narrative arc to OpenAI. Once 'public good', then 'private profit'.
hansworst 3y ago
> (despite the French name) Claude is named after Claude Shannon, founder of information theory. I guess it is a traditionally French name, but he wasn't a French person.
gtirloni 3y ago
You can use Claude 3 through poe.com. Maybe Quora doesn't care that much about EU regulations? That being said, Claude 3 is also not available in Brazil either (which coincidently has a data privacy law modelled after the GDPR).

by lucumo 3y ago

Chabsff 3y ago

According to them: https://support.anthropic.com/en/articles/7996881-what-is-your-approach-to-gdpr-or-related-issues https://support.anthropic.com/en/articles/7996881-what-is-yo... The very first part of the answer to "How do you approach GDPR" is: > "We approach data privacy and security holistically, [...]" Which reads to me as a polite way to say: We don't want to be GDPR-compliant.

danpalmer 3y ago

I think a lot of regulatory issues right now with AI are not that the technology can't be used, but that it takes time to get everything in place for it to be allowed to be used, or to have the compliance procedures in place so it's unlikely you'll be sued for it. Given how fast this space is moving, it's understandable that these companies are opening it up in different countries as soon as they can.

worldsayshi 3y ago

It looks like API access is enabled in EU? I can at least use it here(1) and I'm in the EU. 1 - https://console.anthropic.com https://console.anthropic.com

sixhobbits 3y ago
I could use the free trial / starter credits from EU, but the moment I tried to upgrade it said it wasn't available in my region.
- k4rli 3y ago
  I'm also still on trial credits in EU, but I read on HN that using VPN once for the topup is enough for it to allow continuing to use it. Yet to try but might work
  - worldsayshi 3y ago
    Interesting! Not a good foundation for building a product on top of though...
  - worldsayshi 3y ago
    Oh! It looks like they are officially supporting API access but not GUI access in at least some EU countries (including Sweden): https://www.anthropic.com/supported-countries https://www.anthropic.com/supported-countries

padolsey 3y ago

2c: I guess it's a "wait and see" approach. The AI Bill is making good progress through EU parliament and will soon (?) be enforceable. It includes pretty hefty fines (up to 7% annual turnover for noncompliance) and lots of currently amorphous definitions of harm. And it'll make it necessary for AI firms like Anthropic to make their processes/weights more transparent/explicable. Ironically, Anthropic seem very publicly animated about their research into 'mechanistic interpretability' (i.e. why is the AI behaving the way its behaving?), and they're happy to rake $$ in in the meantime all while maintaining a stance of caution and reluctance to transparency. I will wait and see whether they follow a similar narrative arc to OpenAI. Once 'public good', then 'private profit'.

hansworst 3y ago

> (despite the French name) Claude is named after Claude Shannon, founder of information theory. I guess it is a traditionally French name, but he wasn't a French person.

gtirloni 3y ago

You can use Claude 3 through poe.com. Maybe Quora doesn't care that much about EU regulations? That being said, Claude 3 is also not available in Brazil either (which coincidently has a data privacy law modelled after the GDPR).