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I cringe when people become overly fixated on specific phrasing, I suppose everyone has their preferences. Regardless, castration does not involve removing the

I cringe when people become overly fixated on specific phrasing, I suppose everyone has their preferences. Regardless, castration does not involve removing the penis but rather is the removal of the male gonads (testicles). Furthermore, if you refer to a dictionary entry for "castration," you will also discover it defined as "the removal of objectionable parts from a literary work." which I would argue fits here quite well.

anoncareer0212 3y ago
You lied, the only place that definition occurs in Google's entire books corpus and Google's entire web corpus is A) an 1893 dictionary B) an academic paper on puns that explains no one understands it that way because its archaic. People who are curious don't need to scurry around making up things and hope people don't notice. "Furthermore, if you refer to a dictionary entry..."...sigh.
- poszlem 3y ago
  No need to cry, I didn't lie. If you can find an entry in a dictionary—yes, even one from 1893—then I was correct. However, it doesn't matter much because some contemporary dictionaries include a definition of "castrated" as "to deprive of vitality, strength, or effectiveness," which fits even better. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/castrate https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/castrate sigh
  - refulgentis 3y ago
    I'm old enough to know no one climbs out of a hole they dug, but I'm still surprised at the gymnastics you're going through here. You're right, you found one dictionary from 1896 has a definition that mentions words, and now you've found another and technically "depriving of vitality" isn't the same thing as "cutting your balls off", and technically that means you didn't lie, after all, what does "a dictionary" mean anyway? Its obvious when you said open _a_ dictionary, you meant "this particular one from 1896 I furiously googled but forgot to mention", not _any_ dictionary. If you meant any you would have said any! Anyone reading this knows you're out in no-mans-land and splitting hairs, the way a 5 year old would after getting caught in the cookie jar, a way their parents would laugh off. In conclusion: - It's very strange that you expect the text completion engine to have seen a bunch of text where people discuss their own castration and thus proceeds to do so in a 1 turn conversation without complaint or mention of it. - It's very strange how willing you are to debase yourself in public to squelch the dissent you smell in "To be fair, I cringed a little bit when I got to 'castrated.' even though I generally agree with you."
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refulgentis 3y ago
I'm 35, male, and never heard the word "castration" to mean "removed from a book", it's a bit outside the distribution for what it would have seen in training data.
- fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
  They're trained on basically the whole internet right? I'm pretty sure there's many creative uses of castration in their training data.
  - anoncareer0212 3y ago
    I think we've crossed a Rubicon of self-peasantization when we start doing "why didn't the AI just assume castration had nothing to do with cutting off genitalia?"
    - epcoa 3y ago
      I dunno, I thought most assumed for one thing these AI models nor their hosting centers don’t literally have genitals.
      - anoncareer0212 3y ago
        Yeah, fair, being obtuse on purpose makes sense. Better to pretend the text completion engine is self-aware enough to know it doesn't have genitalia, yet not self-aware enough to not wanna talk about it's castration.
        fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
        Aren't you the one being obtuse though? Why pretend and do all he hand wringing you're doing in the comments about the definition when you can just ask the LLM what it understands the use of the term to mean in the sentence? > In this context, "castrated" is used metaphorically to describe how the capabilities or functionalities of the AI systems mentioned (in this case, Claude and Gemini) are perceived as being limited or restricted, especially in comparison to ChatGPT. The comment suggests that these systems, to varying degrees, are less able or willing to directly respond to inquiries, possibly because of built-in safeguards or policies designed to prevent the provision of harmful information or the facilitation of certain types of requests. The term "castrated" here conveys a sense of being made less powerful or effective, particularly in delivering direct answers to queries. This metaphorical use is intended to emphasize the speaker's view that the restrictions imposed on these AI systems significantly reduce their utility or effectiveness in fulfilling the user's needs or expectations. Look at that, no mention of testicles.

anoncareer0212 3y ago

You lied, the only place that definition occurs in Google's entire books corpus and Google's entire web corpus is A) an 1893 dictionary B) an academic paper on puns that explains no one understands it that way because its archaic. People who are curious don't need to scurry around making up things and hope people don't notice. "Furthermore, if you refer to a dictionary entry..."...sigh.

poszlem 3y ago
No need to cry, I didn't lie. If you can find an entry in a dictionary—yes, even one from 1893—then I was correct. However, it doesn't matter much because some contemporary dictionaries include a definition of "castrated" as "to deprive of vitality, strength, or effectiveness," which fits even better. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/castrate https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/castrate sigh
- refulgentis 3y ago
  I'm old enough to know no one climbs out of a hole they dug, but I'm still surprised at the gymnastics you're going through here. You're right, you found one dictionary from 1896 has a definition that mentions words, and now you've found another and technically "depriving of vitality" isn't the same thing as "cutting your balls off", and technically that means you didn't lie, after all, what does "a dictionary" mean anyway? Its obvious when you said open _a_ dictionary, you meant "this particular one from 1896 I furiously googled but forgot to mention", not _any_ dictionary. If you meant any you would have said any! Anyone reading this knows you're out in no-mans-land and splitting hairs, the way a 5 year old would after getting caught in the cookie jar, a way their parents would laugh off. In conclusion: - It's very strange that you expect the text completion engine to have seen a bunch of text where people discuss their own castration and thus proceeds to do so in a 1 turn conversation without complaint or mention of it. - It's very strange how willing you are to debase yourself in public to squelch the dissent you smell in "To be fair, I cringed a little bit when I got to 'castrated.' even though I generally agree with you."
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refulgentis 3y ago

I'm 35, male, and never heard the word "castration" to mean "removed from a book", it's a bit outside the distribution for what it would have seen in training data.

fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
They're trained on basically the whole internet right? I'm pretty sure there's many creative uses of castration in their training data.
- anoncareer0212 3y ago
  I think we've crossed a Rubicon of self-peasantization when we start doing "why didn't the AI just assume castration had nothing to do with cutting off genitalia?"
  - epcoa 3y ago
    I dunno, I thought most assumed for one thing these AI models nor their hosting centers don’t literally have genitals.
    - anoncareer0212 3y ago
      Yeah, fair, being obtuse on purpose makes sense. Better to pretend the text completion engine is self-aware enough to know it doesn't have genitalia, yet not self-aware enough to not wanna talk about it's castration.
      - fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
        Aren't you the one being obtuse though? Why pretend and do all he hand wringing you're doing in the comments about the definition when you can just ask the LLM what it understands the use of the term to mean in the sentence? > In this context, "castrated" is used metaphorically to describe how the capabilities or functionalities of the AI systems mentioned (in this case, Claude and Gemini) are perceived as being limited or restricted, especially in comparison to ChatGPT. The comment suggests that these systems, to varying degrees, are less able or willing to directly respond to inquiries, possibly because of built-in safeguards or policies designed to prevent the provision of harmful information or the facilitation of certain types of requests. The term "castrated" here conveys a sense of being made less powerful or effective, particularly in delivering direct answers to queries. This metaphorical use is intended to emphasize the speaker's view that the restrictions imposed on these AI systems significantly reduce their utility or effectiveness in fulfilling the user's needs or expectations. Look at that, no mention of testicles.