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Little to no mortality. Little impact on milk production. A nothing burger.

aredox 3y ago
A bird flu has jumped to mammals.
ceejayoz 3y ago
This strain has a 60-70% mortality rate in humans in known cases. Spread in mammals would be a bit concerning. > Due to the high lethality and virulence of HPAI A(H5N1), its endemic presence, its increasingly large host reservoir, and its significant ongoing mutations, in 2006, the H5N1 virus has been regarded to be the world's largest pandemic threat, and billions of dollars are being spent researching H5N1 and preparing for a potential influenza pandemic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H5N1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H5N1 (Complicated a bit by unknown prevalence of mild cases, but it’s not a nothing burger.)
- lenerdenator 3y ago
  Sounds like we need an Operation Warp Speed 2, this time before things get out of hand.
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    It’s my laypersons understanding that one of the big benefits of the mRNA vaccines is that all that production capacity can be rapidly switched to a new vaccine.
- throwup238 3y ago
  You can count the total number of confirmed human cases of H5N1 in the US, Canada, and the EU combined on one hand. That mortality rate is so skewed as to be useless.
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    “When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” (Trump, Feb 2020) As I said, it’s certainly complicated by not knowing how many mild cases are out there undetected, but that doesn’t make it unconcerning.
    - busterarm 3y ago
      Nearly everyone who died from COVID had multiple comorbidities. Biggest nothingburger of this century.
      - saltymug76 3y ago
        Yes the millions of deaths were a nothingburger. You showed them!
        busterarm 3y ago
        Still behind cancer and heart disease. More people are cheeseburgering themselves to death in this country.
        jaybrendansmith 3y ago
        I've had multiple friends and family die from this so-called nothing burger. My mother's heath will never be the same, she is now consigned to a wheelchair. Your statement is inflammatory and unhelpful, it does not advance the conversation, and is a provable falsehood.
        busterarm 3y ago
        Tell me about your mom's PD/CVD/Diabetes pre-COVID. Tell me about your family's history with the above. I'm sure that I lost more friends due to lockdown-induced depression, drug/alcohol relapse and suicide than you lost family to COVID. If we should have learned anything it's that modern medicine has spoiled our species in that you can now live an excessively long time with extremely unhealthy lifestyles. Barely two generations ago dying from common colds, flus and even minor cut and scrape injuries was just everyday life. Maybe half of the children in a family might die before reaching adulthood. One particularly strong (lab-engineered) cold made the rounds and people want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend the sky is on fire. In the context of human history and coronaviruses, COVID-19 is absolutely a nothingburger.
rapjr9 3y ago
https://www.science.org/content/article/bird-flu-discovered-u-s-dairy-cows-disturbing https://www.science.org/content/article/bird-flu-discovered-... Sounds like there is some concern.
Aurornis 3y ago
It’s extremely bad for humans in known infections. > around 60% of humans known to have been infected with the Asian strain of HPAI A(H5N1) have died from it It’s not just about the cows.

A bird flu has jumped to mammals.

This strain has a 60-70% mortality rate in humans in known cases. Spread in mammals would be a bit concerning. > Due to the high lethality and virulence of HPAI A(H5N1), its endemic presence, its increasingly large host reservoir, and its significant ongoing mutations, in 2006, the H5N1 virus has been regarded to be the world's largest pandemic threat, and billions of dollars are being spent researching H5N1 and preparing for a potential influenza pandemic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H5N1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H5N1 (Complicated a bit by unknown prevalence of mild cases, but it’s not a nothing burger.)

lenerdenator 3y ago
Sounds like we need an Operation Warp Speed 2, this time before things get out of hand.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  It’s my laypersons understanding that one of the big benefits of the mRNA vaccines is that all that production capacity can be rapidly switched to a new vaccine.
throwup238 3y ago
You can count the total number of confirmed human cases of H5N1 in the US, Canada, and the EU combined on one hand. That mortality rate is so skewed as to be useless.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  “When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” (Trump, Feb 2020) As I said, it’s certainly complicated by not knowing how many mild cases are out there undetected, but that doesn’t make it unconcerning.
  - busterarm 3y ago
    Nearly everyone who died from COVID had multiple comorbidities. Biggest nothingburger of this century.
    - saltymug76 3y ago
      Yes the millions of deaths were a nothingburger. You showed them!
      - busterarm 3y ago
        Still behind cancer and heart disease. More people are cheeseburgering themselves to death in this country.
        jaybrendansmith 3y ago
        I've had multiple friends and family die from this so-called nothing burger. My mother's heath will never be the same, she is now consigned to a wheelchair. Your statement is inflammatory and unhelpful, it does not advance the conversation, and is a provable falsehood.
        busterarm 3y ago
        Tell me about your mom's PD/CVD/Diabetes pre-COVID. Tell me about your family's history with the above. I'm sure that I lost more friends due to lockdown-induced depression, drug/alcohol relapse and suicide than you lost family to COVID. If we should have learned anything it's that modern medicine has spoiled our species in that you can now live an excessively long time with extremely unhealthy lifestyles. Barely two generations ago dying from common colds, flus and even minor cut and scrape injuries was just everyday life. Maybe half of the children in a family might die before reaching adulthood. One particularly strong (lab-engineered) cold made the rounds and people want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend the sky is on fire. In the context of human history and coronaviruses, COVID-19 is absolutely a nothingburger.

rapjr9 3y ago

https://www.science.org/content/article/bird-flu-discovered-u-s-dairy-cows-disturbing https://www.science.org/content/article/bird-flu-discovered-... Sounds like there is some concern.

Aurornis 3y ago

It’s extremely bad for humans in known infections. > around 60% of humans known to have been infected with the Asian strain of HPAI A(H5N1) have died from it It’s not just about the cows.