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Buy a Tesla. Tesla does not use dealers. Yes, they still make a profit off of you, but at least there are no misaligned incentives as with dealers.

by djao 3y ago

goalonetwo 3y ago
Yeah with Tesla you don't need to play that deceptive game with the dealership BUT you are buying a very overpriced car that is constantly lying on its range. I have been Musked once, but not twice.
- djao 3y ago
  They were, at one point, overpriced, but in fairness at that point in time all other new cars were also overpriced. The current price is very, very attractive for what you get. The car lies on range only in one particular indicator, the "main" indicator, which is actually in a pretty small font on the screen, and you can get rid of the range indicator by tapping it once. The range estimate given in the trip navigation system is very accurate.
cameldrv 3y ago
Ever look at the repair costs of a Tesla? You can only get it serviced at their facilities. Misaligned incentives abound.
- djao 3y ago
  Actually, yes, I have a Tesla and use it as my only car. I am intimately familiar with the repair costs. An ICE car is about three times more expensive to maintain and repair. Tesla's service centers are on average overwhelmed with work, the vast majority of which is warranty work (therefore unpaid) simply because there is almost no required routine maintenance, and most Teslas on the road are newer than the four years that it takes for the warranty to expire. They are incentivized to build good cars in order to reduce the service burden on their service centers.
  - cameldrv 3y ago
    Most ICE cars these days have very little routine maintanence. Oil changes every 10,000 miles, everything else lasts longer too. I’m not sure there is a vehicle on the road that costs 3x a Tesla S to maintain and repair. Maybe a Mercedes S class or some exotic car. Definitely not a Toyota or a Honda.
    - djao 3y ago
      A Tesla Model S is definitely not the money saving option. The vast majority of Teslas sold are Model 3/Y. Compared to an EV, which has only tires, wiper fluid, and wiper blades -- yes, ICE cars have a lot more required routine maintenance.

Buy a Tesla. Tesla does not use dealers. Yes, they still make a profit off of you, but at least there are no misaligned incentives as with dealers.

by djao 3y ago

Buy a Tesla. Tesla does not use dealers. Yes, they still make a profit off of you, but at least there are no misaligned incentives as with dealers.

goalonetwo 3y ago

Yeah with Tesla you don't need to play that deceptive game with the dealership BUT you are buying a very overpriced car that is constantly lying on its range. I have been Musked once, but not twice.

djao 3y ago
They were, at one point, overpriced, but in fairness at that point in time all other new cars were also overpriced. The current price is very, very attractive for what you get. The car lies on range only in one particular indicator, the "main" indicator, which is actually in a pretty small font on the screen, and you can get rid of the range indicator by tapping it once. The range estimate given in the trip navigation system is very accurate.

cameldrv 3y ago

Ever look at the repair costs of a Tesla? You can only get it serviced at their facilities. Misaligned incentives abound.

djao 3y ago
Actually, yes, I have a Tesla and use it as my only car. I am intimately familiar with the repair costs. An ICE car is about three times more expensive to maintain and repair. Tesla's service centers are on average overwhelmed with work, the vast majority of which is warranty work (therefore unpaid) simply because there is almost no required routine maintenance, and most Teslas on the road are newer than the four years that it takes for the warranty to expire. They are incentivized to build good cars in order to reduce the service burden on their service centers.
- cameldrv 3y ago
  Most ICE cars these days have very little routine maintanence. Oil changes every 10,000 miles, everything else lasts longer too. I’m not sure there is a vehicle on the road that costs 3x a Tesla S to maintain and repair. Maybe a Mercedes S class or some exotic car. Definitely not a Toyota or a Honda.
  - djao 3y ago
    A Tesla Model S is definitely not the money saving option. The vast majority of Teslas sold are Model 3/Y. Compared to an EV, which has only tires, wiper fluid, and wiper blades -- yes, ICE cars have a lot more required routine maintenance.