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Was there a harbor pilot on board, or the normal ship pilot? Were there tug boats helping with the exit? I have often felt that the harbor protocols were over

Was there a harbor pilot on board, or the normal ship pilot? Were there tug boats helping with the exit? I have often felt that the harbor protocols were overkill, but this is one of the times they could have helped.

pixl97 3y ago
Once the ship is under way I don't think the tugs hang around. They are just for the push away from the dock and initial turns.
- Amezarak 3y ago
  It's very typical for pilots to be required for all entrance and egress from harbors, much more than the initial pushaway and turning but for quite a long distance through the channel.
  - lupire 3y ago
    Pilots or tugs?
    - defrost 3y ago
      Pilots always, for most harbours - they are extremely well versed on local tides and currents and essential for many river mouths and locations with large tidal swings. Tugs - quite often, but not always - depends on the currents, ship weight, and time of day.
- ViewTrick1002 3y ago
  Depends on the navigational requirements. Indirect towing using tugs as an extended rudder are sometimes used. Although I think it is more common in Europe which has a more modern tug fleet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stebWQNrv5Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stebWQNrv5Q
refulgentis 3y ago
2x harbor pilots. No tugs. Harbor protocol was in effect.
- paddy_m 3y ago
  There were tugs two tugs helping depart the dock and turn, until about 43 seconds in the video. 5:08 AM real time
CydeWeys 3y ago
All pilots are "harbor pilots". Crew members who control the ship outside of port are just called crew members (captain, first mate, 2nd Officer, that kind of thing), never pilot.
- deleted 3y ago
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- delichon 3y ago
  There used to be! See William Adams, "the pilot of Miura" or "Miura Anjin", inspiration for John Blackthorne in James Clavell's Shogun.
  - red-iron-pine 3y ago
    ^ see folks, this is how bots get eyeballs on things. 70 day old account finds a relevant topic and directs it to a show that's recently out also does a shout-out to SONU Sleep mattresses a few posts back. enough other posts in there to create doubt -- maybe this is a person. maybe this is a person who does marketing sometimes.
    - delichon 3y ago
      Shogun is probably my favorite novel, I've read it three times. I had a cat named Anjin-san. I have a mixed relationship with my mattress, and I talk about the downsides in that very same thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39757531 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39757531 Apparently for you at the moment, any mention of a product on the market is a flag for a marketing AI. I suppose this comment too is just what a marketing AI would say.
      - tremon 3y ago
        This comment is just a veiled mattress ad :p
  - reaperman 3y ago
    I don’t know Japanese and havent studied this so hopefully someone can correct me as well. But I dont think it would be right to translate this to the modern meaning of a ship pilot. It more loosely translated to “navigator”. There are some seemingly good details here[0]. > In Early Modern Japanese there was a word 按針 anjin, literally “searching needle,” which referred to the process of using a compass. At the time, this was the main way in which ships were navigated and so, by extension, the word was applied not just to ship navigation, but also to ship navigators It goes into more detail about things as well but that is the part that stuck out to me the most. 0: http://japanthis.com/2013/06/20/what-does-anjincho-mean/ http://japanthis.com/2013/06/20/what-does-anjincho-mean/
mc32 3y ago
The incident has some similarities ti the Cosco-Busan. It hit the base of the bridge piers and bounced off. The bridge wasn’t damaged. That one was due to pilot error. The point is the pilot was still onboard but he was impaired by medication, the captain and mates kind of engaged in dereliction of duties contributing to the accident. Obviously it’ll be a while before we know what happened in Baltimore.
kapilvt 3y ago
a Baltimore local harbor pilot was onboard from what I've read.
efitz 3y ago
The video referenced in the parent post stated that the two tugs assisting with undocking had already disengaged (0:54). AP News [1] is reporting that harbor pilots were on-board and were nominally in control of the ship at the time of the accident. [1] https://apnews.com/article/baltimore-bridge-collapse-53169b379820032f832de4016c655d1b https://apnews.com/article/baltimore-bridge-collapse-53169b3... Update: added timestamp, link

pixl97 3y ago

Once the ship is under way I don't think the tugs hang around. They are just for the push away from the dock and initial turns.

Amezarak 3y ago
It's very typical for pilots to be required for all entrance and egress from harbors, much more than the initial pushaway and turning but for quite a long distance through the channel.
- lupire 3y ago
  Pilots or tugs?
  - defrost 3y ago
    Pilots always, for most harbours - they are extremely well versed on local tides and currents and essential for many river mouths and locations with large tidal swings. Tugs - quite often, but not always - depends on the currents, ship weight, and time of day.
ViewTrick1002 3y ago
Depends on the navigational requirements. Indirect towing using tugs as an extended rudder are sometimes used. Although I think it is more common in Europe which has a more modern tug fleet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stebWQNrv5Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stebWQNrv5Q

refulgentis 3y ago

2x harbor pilots. No tugs. Harbor protocol was in effect.

paddy_m 3y ago
There were tugs two tugs helping depart the dock and turn, until about 43 seconds in the video. 5:08 AM real time

CydeWeys 3y ago

All pilots are "harbor pilots". Crew members who control the ship outside of port are just called crew members (captain, first mate, 2nd Officer, that kind of thing), never pilot.

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delichon 3y ago
There used to be! See William Adams, "the pilot of Miura" or "Miura Anjin", inspiration for John Blackthorne in James Clavell's Shogun.
- red-iron-pine 3y ago
  ^ see folks, this is how bots get eyeballs on things. 70 day old account finds a relevant topic and directs it to a show that's recently out also does a shout-out to SONU Sleep mattresses a few posts back. enough other posts in there to create doubt -- maybe this is a person. maybe this is a person who does marketing sometimes.
  - delichon 3y ago
    Shogun is probably my favorite novel, I've read it three times. I had a cat named Anjin-san. I have a mixed relationship with my mattress, and I talk about the downsides in that very same thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39757531 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39757531 Apparently for you at the moment, any mention of a product on the market is a flag for a marketing AI. I suppose this comment too is just what a marketing AI would say.
    - tremon 3y ago
      This comment is just a veiled mattress ad :p
- reaperman 3y ago
  I don’t know Japanese and havent studied this so hopefully someone can correct me as well. But I dont think it would be right to translate this to the modern meaning of a ship pilot. It more loosely translated to “navigator”. There are some seemingly good details here[0]. > In Early Modern Japanese there was a word 按針 anjin, literally “searching needle,” which referred to the process of using a compass. At the time, this was the main way in which ships were navigated and so, by extension, the word was applied not just to ship navigation, but also to ship navigators It goes into more detail about things as well but that is the part that stuck out to me the most. 0: http://japanthis.com/2013/06/20/what-does-anjincho-mean/ http://japanthis.com/2013/06/20/what-does-anjincho-mean/

mc32 3y ago

The incident has some similarities ti the Cosco-Busan. It hit the base of the bridge piers and bounced off. The bridge wasn’t damaged. That one was due to pilot error. The point is the pilot was still onboard but he was impaired by medication, the captain and mates kind of engaged in dereliction of duties contributing to the accident. Obviously it’ll be a while before we know what happened in Baltimore.

kapilvt 3y ago

a Baltimore local harbor pilot was onboard from what I've read.

efitz 3y ago

The video referenced in the parent post stated that the two tugs assisting with undocking had already disengaged (0:54). AP News [1] is reporting that harbor pilots were on-board and were nominally in control of the ship at the time of the accident. [1] https://apnews.com/article/baltimore-bridge-collapse-53169b379820032f832de4016c655d1b https://apnews.com/article/baltimore-bridge-collapse-53169b3... Update: added timestamp, link