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First, paying child support is a moral obligation. Second, DRS is stupid (it harms the enforcer of the policy, society, and the person who is not making paymen

First, paying child support is a moral obligation. Second, DRS is stupid (it harms the enforcer of the policy, society, and the person who is not making payments). It removes the ability of the person who is supposed to pay child support from having money to make the payment. The article points out the potential economic fallout of DRS - and there is a connection to tech: Intel is building a huge facility that will employ many Ohioans there and will have a workforce constantly at risk of having their license suspended over unpaid medical bills. The only word that even begins to describe DRS is stupid. Third, child support is only one reason someone may have a DRS. Any payment resulting from a judgment (even administrative) can result in a DRS -- so routine collections often result in suspensions. Child support is only one of many ways someone can find themselves with a suspended license. DRS makes about as much sense as debtor's prisons.

chii 3y ago
exactly. it seems dumb to be taking away the means of repaying the debt from the person as a form of punishment for the debt.
- Spivak 3y ago
  And it seems dumb because that isn't how it works. I swear there should be a SomePerson's Law that says, "If a currently functioning system can't possibly work that way, then it probably doesn't." Like over the years and years this system has been in place and the many people involved in it y'all really believe no one has thought of this before? You don't just get your license suspended if you stop paying, you get a suspension when you... 1. Stop paying child support. 2. Get a notice of from the government telling you to get in contact with them to set up a hearing to address the non-payment and ignore it. 2b. Set up the hearing, fail to have good reason for non-payment and refuse to negotiate a payment schedule and... 3b. Don't appeal the decision or fail to make your case at the appeal. While with any system involving humans you can get a series of fuck-you-in-particular's there's quite a few checks. It is explicitly the charge of the DCS to keep this very catch-22 from happening by having lots of different enforcement mechanisms and taking the person's finances into account. If you don't have a job and are making a "good faith effort" to get one they won't suspend your license.
brailsafe 3y ago
My impression is that paying child support is a judicial obligation, and whether it's moral or not comes down to how moral the ruling is, and whether or not the obliged payer neglects the payment for an immoral reason. To say it's by definition a moral obligation is to say that the court ruling defines morality, or that there are no valid reasons someone couldn't or shouldn't pay, and that'd be a bit silly, but I assume you're being hyperbolic.
- Arainach 3y ago
  If you have a child, you should pay to support it. This is a moral obligation. It doesn't matter if you didn't intend to have a child, it doesn't matter if you're not currently in a relationship with the other parent.
  - cataphract 3y ago
    Maybe it is a moral obligation, maybe it's not. Depends entirely on the circumstances and in your framework for morality. Maybe paying child support prevents the parent from getting any sort of stability in their life. Maybe the money is squandered. Maybe responsibility should fall on society more generally, and the fact that basic needs of children depend on the financial capacity of the parents is itself immoral. Or the way society organizes itself around money is immoral. Not saying that that agree in general with those statements, but your categorical statement just irked me.
- HumblyTossed 3y ago
  > My impression is that paying child support is a judicial obligation, You're wrong. Plenty of people work out child support without having to even go to court specifically for that. Most people do the moral thing and take care of a child they were responsible for bringing into this world.
  - bill_joy_fanboy 3y ago
    As noted above, the father is never responsible for a child being born. The mother is the one who makes that choice.
matt3210 3y ago
Once there is conception, only 1 side of the population is allowed to choose not to take on the consequences of producing child. We shouldn’t take that choice away, but we should extend the decision of taking on the obligations to the otherside.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  No, you made your choice when you jizzed in her bits. Don't want a kid and scared the lady won't abort if you get her pregnant? Don't jizz in her. That's like, part of sex. Don't like that you don't get to raw dog her now? Too fucking bad, man up. Find someone who agrees with your choice to not have a child including having an abortion if necessary or don't jizz in her. She literally cannot get pregnant without you jizzing in her.

chii 3y ago

exactly. it seems dumb to be taking away the means of repaying the debt from the person as a form of punishment for the debt.

Spivak 3y ago
And it seems dumb because that isn't how it works. I swear there should be a SomePerson's Law that says, "If a currently functioning system can't possibly work that way, then it probably doesn't." Like over the years and years this system has been in place and the many people involved in it y'all really believe no one has thought of this before? You don't just get your license suspended if you stop paying, you get a suspension when you... 1. Stop paying child support. 2. Get a notice of from the government telling you to get in contact with them to set up a hearing to address the non-payment and ignore it. 2b. Set up the hearing, fail to have good reason for non-payment and refuse to negotiate a payment schedule and... 3b. Don't appeal the decision or fail to make your case at the appeal. While with any system involving humans you can get a series of fuck-you-in-particular's there's quite a few checks. It is explicitly the charge of the DCS to keep this very catch-22 from happening by having lots of different enforcement mechanisms and taking the person's finances into account. If you don't have a job and are making a "good faith effort" to get one they won't suspend your license.

brailsafe 3y ago

My impression is that paying child support is a judicial obligation, and whether it's moral or not comes down to how moral the ruling is, and whether or not the obliged payer neglects the payment for an immoral reason. To say it's by definition a moral obligation is to say that the court ruling defines morality, or that there are no valid reasons someone couldn't or shouldn't pay, and that'd be a bit silly, but I assume you're being hyperbolic.

Arainach 3y ago
If you have a child, you should pay to support it. This is a moral obligation. It doesn't matter if you didn't intend to have a child, it doesn't matter if you're not currently in a relationship with the other parent.
- cataphract 3y ago
  Maybe it is a moral obligation, maybe it's not. Depends entirely on the circumstances and in your framework for morality. Maybe paying child support prevents the parent from getting any sort of stability in their life. Maybe the money is squandered. Maybe responsibility should fall on society more generally, and the fact that basic needs of children depend on the financial capacity of the parents is itself immoral. Or the way society organizes itself around money is immoral. Not saying that that agree in general with those statements, but your categorical statement just irked me.
HumblyTossed 3y ago
> My impression is that paying child support is a judicial obligation, You're wrong. Plenty of people work out child support without having to even go to court specifically for that. Most people do the moral thing and take care of a child they were responsible for bringing into this world.
- bill_joy_fanboy 3y ago
  As noted above, the father is never responsible for a child being born. The mother is the one who makes that choice.

matt3210 3y ago

Once there is conception, only 1 side of the population is allowed to choose not to take on the consequences of producing child. We shouldn’t take that choice away, but we should extend the decision of taking on the obligations to the otherside.

mrguyorama 3y ago
No, you made your choice when you jizzed in her bits. Don't want a kid and scared the lady won't abort if you get her pregnant? Don't jizz in her. That's like, part of sex. Don't like that you don't get to raw dog her now? Too fucking bad, man up. Find someone who agrees with your choice to not have a child including having an abortion if necessary or don't jizz in her. She literally cannot get pregnant without you jizzing in her.