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This link from the footnotes has more details[0] and in the PDF we learn the following are the "debt-related suspensions": “License forfeiture suspensions” o

This link from the footnotes has more details[0] and in the PDF we learn the following are the "debt-related suspensions": “License forfeiture suspensions” occur when a person is charged with certain driving-related misdemeanors and either fails to appear in court or fails to pay a court fine. “Judgment suspensions” occur if a court issues a judgment finding a person responsible for property damage or personal injury caused by use, care, or maintenance of a motor vehicle, and that person fails to pay the amount owed. “Child support suspensions” occur when a driver fails to pay child support or fails to appear in response to a subpoena or warrant for child support issues. “Noncompliance suspensions” occur when a driver does not show proof of insurance at a traffic stop or at the time of an accident. “Random selection noncompliance suspensions” occurred when a vehicle owner did not provide proof of insurance in response to a request from the BMV mailed to randomly selected drivers. “Security suspensions” occur when an uninsured driver causes an accident that results in more than $400 worth of damage or injury and the other party submits a crash report to the BMV. “Court registration blocks” can be imposed by a court for unpaid fines or fees and prevent a vehicle owner from renewing their vehicle registration. “Warrant blocks” prevent a person from obtaining or renewing a driver’s license or vehicle registration and can be imposed by a court for any person who has an outstanding warrant. This changed the impression I had after reading the link. 0. https://lasclev.org/wp-content/uploads/Road-to-Nowhere_hirez.pdf https://lasclev.org/wp-content/uploads/Road-to-Nowhere_hirez...

joe_the_user 3y ago
Yeah, the thing about this list is each item is able to sound reasonable to a substantial portion of (maybe vindictively-thinking) voters but whole net of constraints results in a trap for the poor as well-described in the article. Perhaps this is an incentive for people to think twice about the sanity of having random punishments of one form meted out for a violation of a different form.
janice1999 3y ago
I don't think that is the 'gotcha' you think it is. It's still a debt trap for poor people that destroys lives. Robbing people of their ability to drive and earn a living for failing to make child support payments is so self-defeating and malicious it's crazy.
- rgbrenner 3y ago
  You said it yourself: "crazy". That should be your first indication maybe you should look at it closer. Child support payments are ordered based on the parents ability to pay, not to exceed the needs of the child. The court can reinstate your license if they reassess the amount and/or you agree to a new payment plan. The court can also give you a hardship license, that permits you to drive for specific purposes: like from home to work. I dont have a ton of sympathy for deadbeats that want to joyride in their car while their kid is at home hungry.
  - Brian_K_White 3y ago
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- pdabbadabba 3y ago
  I have mixed feelings. I agree with you regarding the "Child support suspensions." But most of these categories seem like non-crazy (can't quite go so far as "reasonable") attempts to enforce laws relating to responsible operation of a vehicle. I think it's helpful to point that out, since the article at least facially makes it sound like this is about purely private debt. Your point still stands about these being debt traps though. But in many cases they're downstream from some other payment that the government requires, like registration fees, or the requirement to hold a private auto insurance policy. Maybe we should worry about these in the first instance and not just the license-revocation rules designed to enforce them. What if we just didn't have a registration fee? Or maybe we should socialize auto insurance so the poor aren't priced out of driving in the first place?
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  - michaelmrose 3y ago
    If most of those boil down to pay n dollars and keep driving why don't we pursue normal collection methods designed to collect n dollars. This has the nice effect that if there is any disagreement or misunderstanding you can keep driving to work while working through it or collect the money over time where appropriate. For instance the state of SC sent a tax bill to the wrong address and 30 days later suspended my wife's license which we discovered in another state while traveling. We believed that we had paid the taxes for the car as part of the purchase as is normal. Although the tax bill for her car was tangentially related to her license using one to enforce the other just led to complexity and stupidity.
LudwigNagasena 3y ago
Changed my impression from "that's stupid" to "I'm impressed they've put so much effort and elaboration into something that stupid".

joe_the_user 3y ago

Yeah, the thing about this list is each item is able to sound reasonable to a substantial portion of (maybe vindictively-thinking) voters but whole net of constraints results in a trap for the poor as well-described in the article. Perhaps this is an incentive for people to think twice about the sanity of having random punishments of one form meted out for a violation of a different form.

janice1999 3y ago

I don't think that is the 'gotcha' you think it is. It's still a debt trap for poor people that destroys lives. Robbing people of their ability to drive and earn a living for failing to make child support payments is so self-defeating and malicious it's crazy.

rgbrenner 3y ago
You said it yourself: "crazy". That should be your first indication maybe you should look at it closer. Child support payments are ordered based on the parents ability to pay, not to exceed the needs of the child. The court can reinstate your license if they reassess the amount and/or you agree to a new payment plan. The court can also give you a hardship license, that permits you to drive for specific purposes: like from home to work. I dont have a ton of sympathy for deadbeats that want to joyride in their car while their kid is at home hungry.
- Brian_K_White 3y ago
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pdabbadabba 3y ago
I have mixed feelings. I agree with you regarding the "Child support suspensions." But most of these categories seem like non-crazy (can't quite go so far as "reasonable") attempts to enforce laws relating to responsible operation of a vehicle. I think it's helpful to point that out, since the article at least facially makes it sound like this is about purely private debt. Your point still stands about these being debt traps though. But in many cases they're downstream from some other payment that the government requires, like registration fees, or the requirement to hold a private auto insurance policy. Maybe we should worry about these in the first instance and not just the license-revocation rules designed to enforce them. What if we just didn't have a registration fee? Or maybe we should socialize auto insurance so the poor aren't priced out of driving in the first place?
- deleted 3y ago
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- michaelmrose 3y ago
  If most of those boil down to pay n dollars and keep driving why don't we pursue normal collection methods designed to collect n dollars. This has the nice effect that if there is any disagreement or misunderstanding you can keep driving to work while working through it or collect the money over time where appropriate. For instance the state of SC sent a tax bill to the wrong address and 30 days later suspended my wife's license which we discovered in another state while traveling. We believed that we had paid the taxes for the car as part of the purchase as is normal. Although the tax bill for her car was tangentially related to her license using one to enforce the other just led to complexity and stupidity.

LudwigNagasena 3y ago

Changed my impression from "that's stupid" to "I'm impressed they've put so much effort and elaboration into something that stupid".