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Dogs in NYC are already required to wear tags with their rabies vaccination statuses and IDs. That also isn't really checked, but it absolutely could be by simp

Dogs in NYC are already required to wear tags with their rabies vaccination statuses and IDs. That also isn't really checked, but it absolutely could be by simply stopping people walking their dogs and requesting to see their ID tag.

samatman 3y ago
Don't shoot the messenger, but this is one of a number of quality-of-life improvements which is a non-starter because of the doctrine of disparate racial impact. The argument would be that poverty, undocumented status, etc, means it's harder for some ethnicities to comply with that sort of regulation, so the burden of police interaction would disproportionately fall on them. Probably not wrong in this case, getting a dog registered with all his shots is fairly expensive. My take is that a law worth having is a law worth enforcing, but unless that idea comes back into fashion, things like your suggestion won't happen.
- ethanbond 3y ago
  Yet obviously there are many laws that are enforced and do have disparate racial impacts... So this is just an airing of grievances.
  - samatman 3y ago
    Those laws aren't dog ownership requirements in New York City, though. Which is the topic I was replying to. It wasn't a statement about all laws everywhere.
    - llamaimperative 3y ago
      They literally are: you are required to vaccinate and register your dog in NYC and your dog is required to wear proof of this vaccination at all times in public.
      - samatman 3y ago
        Ah, I didn't realize you were the person I was replying to, and assumed that the "airing of grievances" bit was directed at me. My reference to "those laws" was to the ones you said have disparate racial impact and are enforced. I still think that NYC is unlikely to start robustly enforcing the ones you are talking about.
nradov 3y ago
"Your papers, please." Come on, you can't be serious. Police and code enforcement officers aren't going to stop random dog walkers on the street to demand DNA test results. Real Americans don't tolerate that kind of government overreach, and the authorities already didn't even have time to investigate actual crimes.
- ethanbond 3y ago
  "Demand DNA test results" == "check that they have a specific tag on their collar" I didn't say they are going to, and you didn't say they wouldn't. You said they couldn't (because people "would just ignore it") and I said they absolutely could. Which is true. Re "Real Americans", get a grip.

samatman 3y ago

Don't shoot the messenger, but this is one of a number of quality-of-life improvements which is a non-starter because of the doctrine of disparate racial impact. The argument would be that poverty, undocumented status, etc, means it's harder for some ethnicities to comply with that sort of regulation, so the burden of police interaction would disproportionately fall on them. Probably not wrong in this case, getting a dog registered with all his shots is fairly expensive. My take is that a law worth having is a law worth enforcing, but unless that idea comes back into fashion, things like your suggestion won't happen.

ethanbond 3y ago
Yet obviously there are many laws that are enforced and do have disparate racial impacts... So this is just an airing of grievances.
- samatman 3y ago
  Those laws aren't dog ownership requirements in New York City, though. Which is the topic I was replying to. It wasn't a statement about all laws everywhere.
  - llamaimperative 3y ago
    They literally are: you are required to vaccinate and register your dog in NYC and your dog is required to wear proof of this vaccination at all times in public.
    - samatman 3y ago
      Ah, I didn't realize you were the person I was replying to, and assumed that the "airing of grievances" bit was directed at me. My reference to "those laws" was to the ones you said have disparate racial impact and are enforced. I still think that NYC is unlikely to start robustly enforcing the ones you are talking about.

nradov 3y ago

"Your papers, please." Come on, you can't be serious. Police and code enforcement officers aren't going to stop random dog walkers on the street to demand DNA test results. Real Americans don't tolerate that kind of government overreach, and the authorities already didn't even have time to investigate actual crimes.

ethanbond 3y ago
"Demand DNA test results" == "check that they have a specific tag on their collar" I didn't say they are going to, and you didn't say they wouldn't. You said they couldn't (because people "would just ignore it") and I said they absolutely could. Which is true. Re "Real Americans", get a grip.