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Doesn't really matter, ARM and Nvidia chips are the future.

zamadatix 3y ago
I think the point is more the "deemed safe" list being completely domestic than the idea of whether said companies are the future of chips or not.
bushbaba 3y ago
How is arm / nvidia any safer?
- amelius 3y ago
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  - usui 3y ago
    > CEO of nVidia is a Chinese guy. Perhaps the Chinese view them as safer because of this. Are you kidding? Please fact-check strong assertions like that. Jensen Huang is Taiwan-born and so is cousin-related AMD CEO Lisa Su, also Taiwanese, which even if the hypothesis of Taiwan-connected people being safer (due to more Chinese relationships) was true, then there would be no need to issue a curtailment on AMD chips in government computers.
    - A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
      It is going to sound a little weird, but some people have trouble understanding complexities of ethnicity, country of origin, its intersection with local history, religion and so on ( my wife struggled hard with this ). Some people see Huang as Chinese, the same way they may see me as European. It might be technically true ( and it does betray some perspective a person may have on the subject ), but it happens to ignore some reality on the subject ( as in, how does Huang see himself ). I guess what I am saying is that it is an easy ( if a little lazy ) way to label people.
      - amelius 3y ago
        No, I just didn't read past the word Chinese on Wikipedia, but it referred to language, not nationality. My bad.
        A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
        Occam's razor. I withdraw my original diatribe then. edit: On my end, apologies for assuming.
      - aragonite 3y ago
        There's the anthropological concept of "Chinese" and then there's the identitarian notion. This is analogous to biological versus identitarian notions of gender.
        A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
        Interesting comparison, but I don't want to get into that particular minefield today. Would say it is possible to be an American today without having appropriate documentation declaring that? Likewise, is it possible to be not an American ( not uphold its values ) and be properly documented?
        aragonite 3y ago
        "American" is not an anthropological category, though. Consider how odd "ethnically American" sounds to the year. Compare that with "ethically Chinese", "ethnically Indian", "ethnically Korean". "American" is a geopolitical concept defined in terms of a political entity, the United States (just like "Israeli" is a geopolitical concept defined in terms of the country Israel). This is just a consequence of the fact that America is not a nation state (In this respect compare e.g. the -stan countries of Central Asia, each of which is named after a dominant ethnicity. "Tajik" is not defined in terms of "Tajikistan", rather the reverse is true).
        A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      Taiwanese American.
  - orochimaaru 3y ago
    Just because they are ethnically Chinese doesn’t mean they are Chinese citizens. Please research before making that claim.
qwytw 3y ago
So since you can't use Nvidia's chips more or less for anything outside of gaming/ML you're saying that Nvidia will enter the (relatively) very low margin CPU market? Why would they do that?

I think the point is more the "deemed safe" list being completely domestic than the idea of whether said companies are the future of chips or not.

bushbaba 3y ago

How is arm / nvidia any safer?

amelius 3y ago
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- usui 3y ago
  > CEO of nVidia is a Chinese guy. Perhaps the Chinese view them as safer because of this. Are you kidding? Please fact-check strong assertions like that. Jensen Huang is Taiwan-born and so is cousin-related AMD CEO Lisa Su, also Taiwanese, which even if the hypothesis of Taiwan-connected people being safer (due to more Chinese relationships) was true, then there would be no need to issue a curtailment on AMD chips in government computers.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
    It is going to sound a little weird, but some people have trouble understanding complexities of ethnicity, country of origin, its intersection with local history, religion and so on ( my wife struggled hard with this ). Some people see Huang as Chinese, the same way they may see me as European. It might be technically true ( and it does betray some perspective a person may have on the subject ), but it happens to ignore some reality on the subject ( as in, how does Huang see himself ). I guess what I am saying is that it is an easy ( if a little lazy ) way to label people.
    - amelius 3y ago
      No, I just didn't read past the word Chinese on Wikipedia, but it referred to language, not nationality. My bad.
      - A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
        Occam's razor. I withdraw my original diatribe then. edit: On my end, apologies for assuming.
    - aragonite 3y ago
      There's the anthropological concept of "Chinese" and then there's the identitarian notion. This is analogous to biological versus identitarian notions of gender.
      - A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
        Interesting comparison, but I don't want to get into that particular minefield today. Would say it is possible to be an American today without having appropriate documentation declaring that? Likewise, is it possible to be not an American ( not uphold its values ) and be properly documented?
        aragonite 3y ago
        "American" is not an anthropological category, though. Consider how odd "ethnically American" sounds to the year. Compare that with "ethically Chinese", "ethnically Indian", "ethnically Korean". "American" is a geopolitical concept defined in terms of a political entity, the United States (just like "Israeli" is a geopolitical concept defined in terms of the country Israel). This is just a consequence of the fact that America is not a nation state (In this respect compare e.g. the -stan countries of Central Asia, each of which is named after a dominant ethnicity. "Tajik" is not defined in terms of "Tajikistan", rather the reverse is true).
        A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    Taiwanese American.
- orochimaaru 3y ago
  Just because they are ethnically Chinese doesn’t mean they are Chinese citizens. Please research before making that claim.

qwytw 3y ago

So since you can't use Nvidia's chips more or less for anything outside of gaming/ML you're saying that Nvidia will enter the (relatively) very low margin CPU market? Why would they do that?